Out of Pod Experience

Where's the bad science in this? Ok, the video quality isnt much I'll admit and I'd go toe to toe with the producers and argue some of their findings and sources.

But this is about theory, not fact. No one in this thread seems to be wildly dogmatic about anything as far as I can see.

This will never, ever, in a million years become fact as it's way too hard to build a consensus amongst the academic community. If you've ever wanted to see a more childish, arrogant, backstabbing, thieving bunch of low lives, attend a major sciences dinner.

Politicians are easy compared to this.

It's closer to religious zeal.

Yeah I've seen that. But the damage has been done. My whole life I've wanted to study ancient pre history from the Ice Age and beyond but professors automatically invoke the curse of Von Daniken and it's impossible to get any funding / tenure / accepted onto anyones PhD course.

That man has done more damage to Anthropological and Archaeological science (Awaits armies of chemists to scream ITS NOT A SCIENCE) in the 20th century than probably anybody else.

Still, as I've said previously and apologised for, I do agree with your ideas. But the difficulty is proving it. Unless you can dig up the bones of an Ancient Egyptian sailor in Mexico or something its going to be bloody hard to prove the connections.

They can also be counter argued quite easily, i've heard pyramids countered as humans like geometric shapes, and pyramids call to something inside us.

I don't agree with this but its hard to counter that argument.

Edit apparently you cant use the correct word for the male sexual organ and I refuse to use phallus on principle.

The problem as I've said in my first post comes down to funding. Funds are hard to come by these days even before the economy went belly up. Paelentology still gets good funds thanks to our good friend Mr Spielberg, big dinosaur bones clearly are more interesting than old human bones.

I've always promised myself if I ever become stupidly rich I shall fund massive works around the world just so I can dance on the then most likely graves of some of my lecturers who I had my biggest shouting matches with.

That and also as previously said, most Anthropologists, Archaeologists wouldnt know hard work if you hit them. I've always found common sense to be an oxymoron as it sure as hell isn't common. "That'll do" or "That's about right" or "I've been digging for 2 days we should be deep enough now" seem to be the rules of the day. Clearly this must have been easier when you could pay Egyptian locals 2p a day to dig for you. I guess undergrads whine too much.

From digs I went on in university and to book studies it's largely based on soil history and guestimation. If you read the translated works of schliemann's work on Troy you'll see that the site had been worked previously, not once but several times. But lo and behold as with your whale analogy they didn't go deep enough. Schliemann struck ruins, and then went deeper and then found Troy. He figured it as ancient civilisations often built victory towns / monuments over their fallen enemies. (With the exception of Carthage) and it had been settled briefly after it was destroyed.

Also, if you want a smile, I cant remember the name of the book exactly, but its something like Feminist Views on Architecture. It is hilarious and I think must hold a record for the amount of times it uses the words "p word for male sexual organ" and "male insecurity"

Leaning Tower of Pisa - Marble (I think its marble) male sexual organ.

Tower of Babylon - Sandstone / Mud / Mythical male sexual organ.

Empire state building - Pointy male sexual organ.

The Gherkin - Sex toy.

As for the fossils we just dont fossilise well. I was once told by a curator at the national history museum that its thought for everyone known dinosaur species there's 100 we don't know of if we base it off the amount of life and species we have today.

It's always REALLY annoyed me about "new hominid" species from a tooth or bit of jaw or a single tiny bone.. My jaw isnt the same as my brothers, does that make us a different species? I'm 6' 2" tall, does that make me a different species to someone who is 4' 6"? Grrrrrrrr! And just look at all the abnormalities and birth defects.

Blinkered I tells ya! Blinkered!

Cut simply I'll requote



Essentially, my mothers family are all farmers, I grew up on a farm, I know how to farm, I know the science of farming. I know all about phosphates and fertilizers and so on and applied this knowledge in my theories.

All Anthropologists / Archaeologists agree on 1 thing about making a civilisation.

You NEED bountiful crops. From this you can divide labour into hunters / farmers / weavers whatever and so on and so forth.

It is my belief that if you go to places that were super fertile 10-15k years ago. You'll find they're now at the bottom of the ocean and humans dont work well under water and diving is amazingly time consuming. I believe that there could well have been not a mono civilisation, but varied global peoples who had connections, not big connections, but knew of each other. A sea born silk road maybe or a land based one that skirted the changes geography.

You can tie in the mythology on the flood myths and so on but that isnt my bread and butter so I stay away from that unless I can prove it in history. Flood = end of ice age or possibly the creation of the Black Sea.

It also goes with a theory called "........... time". A perfect example of this in modern terms if the tablet. Been tried lots since the 90s but always a failure. Steve Jobs brings out the iPad. WHAM. Tablet time. The ancient Greeks could have built a steam powered railway system, the tank, ironclad ships (not US civil war ones, the early prototype copper plates ones). But it didn't occur to them or didn't occur to the rulers at the time. Hence no ancient Greek railways although they did have the steam powered dry dock it is believed. It just comes down to well, ease of use and marketing really. If they'd have convinced some Greek King that a steam powered ironclad would rule the Med I guarantee it'd have been built.

Only reason tobacco was a big hit in Europe is because it was A, addictive, and B the rulers quite liked it. (Thats why we smoke tobacco, and not pot (you cant say the THC plant word? Come on!), if Raeligh had brought that to Queen Elizabeth the world might be quite different.) If some ancient ruler had wanted x y z you can damn well bet he'd have gotten it. Got to remember that the Egyptian Pharoahs are just ancient versions of the Kim family of north korea. They get what they want... or else!

There's also the ancient stories of south america of men coming across the sea in ships without oars (sails) and they had beards. Whether these were Polynesians or others we have no clue.

But... that c word Von Daniken ruined all of it with his stupid alien ideas and now its impossible to get funding. Also, my profs in uni thought bacon grew in supermarkets and knew nothing about farming so my ideas were dismissed as nonsensical. And I am a rather short tempered individual at times especially when dealing with blinkered people and threats were made involving wrenching a chair leg and inserting it where the sun doesnt shine. This is why I am no longer a member of my college's alumni association, so I cant get married there... boo hoo.

But, people are people, we havent changed. A man from today and an ancient Roman would get on like a house on fire probably, the same with a Sumerian, Babylonia and so on. Why should things be different because we believe we are somehow different than our ancestors?

Oh and here's one for your theory about early human migration.. You can trace human history really easily with a cool trick.

Mass extinction.

Despite what some people like to believe, humans have never cohabited in nature. The early Amercans happily slaughtered their way down to Argentina wiping out all kinds of species including a marsupial lion. The same for humans everywhere. Follow the extinctions and you will either find massive natural change, or humans, and since we are natural i guess we are just a slow burning force of nature.

Edit, clarification

Yep, in the North Sea too (By that i mean both east and west sides.), but recent ones due to soil erosion and subsidence.

The future of Archaeology is under the water if you ask me.

When they had the big tsunami in 06 they found ruins off the coast of India because the tide went out so far. No one has been able to look at them because that stretch is so full of kicked up silt you cant see your hand in front of your face under water but there's masses of proof. Just no money to back it up.

Convince James Cameron to do his next movie on ancient peoples like he did the Titanic and he might be able to get it sexy again. He generated massive funds for Oceanographic institutes in America and unfortunately treasure hunting also increased. But good and bad and all that.

Here's a popular history channel topic for ancient stuff / pseudo science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=yonaguni&aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D2&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=VmboUKCOOIbQkgXnh4CoAQ&biw=1599&bih=768&sei=eGboUKUpwvuSBZ-ugJAP

I'm sorry, you're telling me the ocean made man sized steps???

There's also the theory about the sphinx that the head is younger than the body, as the body has grooves and indents possibly made by massive rainfall. The last time Egypt was verdant was in the last Ice Age. But then you're getting dangerously close to Von Daniken territory again.

Go find a really old tooth and you can name it Homo Eternum

Thousands upon thousands of men. Men fueled by beer.

Egyptians kept copious records of everything, yet there is no mention of them building the great pyramids. There are records of pharoahs building smaller pyramids, but they lacked the precision of the great pyramids, and fell over.

Furthermore, there are no heiroglyphics on or inside the great pyramids. And no mummies were ever found inside them. Contrary to popular opinion. The 'burial chamber' theory doesn't have a leg to stand on, yet is still widely believed.

That's what they pay him for.

Because knowing what happened a few seconds after the big bang is easy, the big bang is just a mathematical model.