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Is buying PLEX a bad thing?

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#41 - 2013-01-05 18:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
Forum ate my post. **** you CCP why put a cancel button. Who even uses that ****.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#42 - 2013-01-05 18:45:40 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Forum ate my post. **** you CCP why put a cancel button. Who even uses that ****.


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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-01-05 23:08:53 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


This has always been possible.



True, but it also became far, far easier when PLEX became available as a means of instantly gaining vast quantities of ISK -- and by no more effort than clicking a few buttons on the market.

So it goes -- and we deal with it.



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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#44 - 2013-01-05 23:41:51 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Lexmana wrote:

Interesting, I can't really see a benefit for CCP to sell PLEX for ISK on the market.


It would cost them nothing except the time and effort to do it, and remove ISK from the economy which would put a cap on inflation. In theory this would "devalue" PLEX, but since PLEX is fixed to the dollar/euro, the "value" isn't going anywhere. I'm not saying they are doing this but certainly it is a tool they have to control the economy and keep it within acceptable parameters. Eyog had mentioned the desire to create a sort of "reserve bank" a long, long time ago. PLEX can easily be used that way to soak up excess ISK. After all you have no idea how many actual players are trading cash for PLEX, and neither do I.

Edit: added the following

I understand from the gist of your post that CCP would "benefit" from driving up the isk value of PLEX, since they would sell more PLEX to the public if you get more isk for your dollar. However I'm sure they take the health of the EVE economy seriously. If the economy tanks, the game tanks, and keeping the game going is much more in CCP's interest than selling a few extra PLEX.



... um... each PLEX CCP Sold would cost them $17 USD. In addition to the time and effort it takes to set up sell orders.

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Ginger Barbarella
#45 - 2013-01-06 01:22:00 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Confirming I bought a PLEX a couple hours ago frmo isk made in-game to resub one of my six accounts.
Does that make me evil? Or just lubricating the CCP wheels of injustice? Twisted

You are now officially a Bad Person. To atone you must travel to Hek and RP a Caldari Civire butler for exactly 3 days, 14 hours, 3 minutes, 25 seconds, or until Small Hybrid Turret V finishes, whichever comes first.


Most of my alts live near Hek, so I'm there daily. Really nothing impressive there.

My second oldest toon is a hot Civire chick from the days when Caldari toons started out with Missile Bombardment 5 (remember those days? Ah, good times). She's nobody's butler.

And the toons that matter already have hybrid 5...

I guess I'm not a Bad Person anymore?? Lol

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#46 - 2013-01-06 01:29:29 UTC
Esra Sudeitredas wrote:
The more people that buy PLEX, the more people who DON'T PvE, or mine, or trade?


The people who buy the most PLEX are the people who PvE, mine and trade... and build ships for the PvP guys.

It's usually the impatient PvP guys who sell the PLEX so that they can back into shiny new ships without having to, y'know, work for them. From the guys who buy the PLEX.

See how it all works out? And they say miners don't like PvP. Ha! PvP is what keeps us in business, in more ways than one.

Smile


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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#47 - 2013-01-06 01:38:53 UTC
Why, just today I sold yet another character for 10B+ to a brand new player.

So as much as I personally despise the PLEX model, as a character seller it's a godsend.

Mr Epeen Cool
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-01-06 02:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Akiyo Mayaki
Plex does not generate ISK since you sell them to players and not NPC..


Very basic market model: Demand and supply also answers your concern regarding everyone buying PLEX..

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PLEX does not inflate ISK. (Money is circled to you, not generated.)

PlEX does not inflate items. (PLEX is not an in-game used item. It affects nothing in-game. It simply adds game time to your account.)


You are bad and you should feel bad. Pirate

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#49 - 2013-01-06 02:39:02 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Forum ate my post. **** you CCP why put a cancel button. Who even uses that ****.


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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#50 - 2013-01-06 19:48:15 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Forum ate my post. **** you CCP why put a cancel button. Who even uses that ****.


Don't blame the cancel button. The forum will eat your posts anyway. Just write something, go afk 10 mins, write something else and press POST and voila, post deleted.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#51 - 2013-01-06 19:54:48 UTC
Esra Sudeitredas wrote:
I mean, for the game?

The more people that buy PLEX, the more people who DON'T PvE, or mine, or trade?

What if everybody bought PLEX instead of making money the normal ways?

Idunno...



Every time a PLEX is purchased, a cute fluffy little kitty is dropped into a running blender.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-01-06 20:05:48 UTC
I'm not trolling when I say that this is an awful post that needs to be locked. OP should also be banned for awhile.

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Lexmana
#53 - 2013-01-06 20:08:56 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I'm not trolling when I say that this is an awful post that needs to be locked. OP should also be banned for awhile.

Actually there is hope for OP. He is one of few on this forum that are willing to learn things and admits when he is wrong. I think OP deserves a cookie or something.

Esra Sudeitredas wrote:
I feel so ******* stupid right now
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-01-06 20:22:21 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Because buying PLEX creates isk.



Huh? Plex creates nothing. Transfer only. (Hmm. sarcasm tags might be of use.)



Anyway, to the OP:

Plex has value only because it is Rare. If everyone bought them it, then it would have no value. Or more importantly, everything else would be stupidly expensive because there'd be no minerals in the game. There'd also be no ISK, as no-one would be doing PvE

from the statement:
Quote:
What if everybody bought PLEX instead of making money the normal ways?

this
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#55 - 2013-01-06 21:48:20 UTC
As per the Making ISK guide, PLEX is one of the best ISK/hr incomes possible in the game. There are some avenues for better income (trusted third party for supercapital sales, for example), but they are small niche markets with very little opportunity for exploitation by new players.

Selling PLEX for ISK is especially useful for that class of person who feels that EVE is only about flying in space. If you're one of the Internet spaceship crowd, PLEX is a great way of avoiding the unpleasant side of the game involving spreadsheets and thinking.

Buying PLEX for subscriptions is useful for that class of player who participates heavily in the "spreadsheets in space" side of the game. Once you have enough ISK to fuel your regular PvP, and you still enjoy the process of acquiring liquid capital, buying PLEX is an obvious way of providing yourself with small rewards (i.e.: free game time) for your good work.

So no, buying/selling PLEX is not a bad thing.

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Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#56 - 2013-01-07 00:10:14 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Because buying PLEX creates isk.


Please acquaint yourself with how ISK works before you make a post.

Regards, Vern
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#57 - 2013-01-07 00:27:52 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Because buying PLEX creates isk.


Please acquaint yourself with how ISK works before you make a post.

Regards, Vern


It was sarcasm. Maybe its only those that specialize in it who can see it so clearly in text?
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#58 - 2013-01-07 01:31:05 UTC
Esra Sudeitredas wrote:
I mean, for the game?

The more people that buy PLEX, the more people who DON'T PvE, or mine, or trade?

What if everybody bought PLEX instead of making money the normal ways?

Idunno...


Remember that plex does not add ISK to the game whereas pve can do.

So everyone stopping pve and buying plex would mean plex prices would likely plummet as the value of ISK rose against it.

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Spurty
#59 - 2013-01-07 01:36:08 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Esra Sudeitredas wrote:
I feel so ******* stupid right now


Threads have consequences. Now you know, and knowing is 53% of the battle.


Statistically speaking, 60% of the time this works everytime

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Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#60 - 2013-01-07 01:37:33 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Because buying PLEX creates isk.


Please acquaint yourself with how ISK works before you make a post.

Regards, Vern


It was sarcasm. Maybe its only those that specialize in it who can see it so clearly in text?


I see. I can normally spot it, but in such a short space it become more difficult. I therefore apologize for being an a**.