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Define "casual player"

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Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#21 - 2013-01-04 19:36:23 UTC
a casual player is a person that spends 40 hours a week NOT playing Eve.
Kestrix
Gallente Federation Private Members Club.
#22 - 2013-01-04 19:47:09 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Is this some code-phrase for carebear?


Care bare is a derogatory term used by PvP'ers when describing anyone who has a play style that differs from there own.
Flakey Foont
#23 - 2013-01-04 19:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
Pretty much a casual player plays to relax and have fun. It is a game after all.

In my opinion of course.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#24 - 2013-01-04 19:50:27 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
a casual player is a person that spends 40 hours a week NOT playing Eve.


This.


Also somone who never read DG topics like OP therad or mine, and even these people visits EvE site they spent on it like 10min long per week just to read about game news, dev blogs, etc.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.

Alphax45
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-01-04 19:55:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

To answer your question, a casual player is someone who plays casually, as opposed to someone who plays while sitting at their computer in a suit and tie. I too play casually, usually naked except for socks ,which is why I'm known for my "ballsy" game play and forum posting.....


I thought I was the only one that played like this :)


Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#26 - 2013-01-04 20:49:57 UTC
Im a casual player. I dont dress up, I dont mind my table manners in front of the screen and i frequently talk on TS with my mouth full. I tried playing Eve totally formal once all dressed up in a tuxedo, but I had to log off mid-fleet to convert girlfriend aggro to wife aggro...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-01-04 20:55:41 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
I keep seeing that definition thrown around:

"EVE should cater to casual players"
"I'm more of a casual player"
"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"

Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.

I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.


well i can only see one question mark, so to address that in the most full and detailed manner which is currently available to me, after much thought and deliberation on the subject that the question is referring to, it would seem that the obvious answer in a situation such as this is:

no, it is not code for carebear.

carebear itself is a stupid word - its effectively just as pointless as calling someone a noob.

bootom line is humans like things to have a nice near order in the index of their lives, so they attach the tag 'carebear' to a whole range of players. Ironically it means different things to different people. It does not mean casusal though so your ok there.
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De'Veldrin
Adversity.
Hisec Miners
#28 - 2013-01-04 20:57:10 UTC
Casual is one of those vague terms that can have a lot of meanings.

I'm casual about PvP, but I'm pretty intense about my ISk making.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-01-04 21:03:13 UTC
If you have one account you are casual. Most in EVE are. Is it a good thing? A bad thing? Some people like green grapes, some like red. Whatever.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-01-04 21:15:01 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
carebear itself is a stupid word - its effectively just as pointless as calling someone a noob.

Carebear is an excellent word that adequately describes the "leave me alone to play my game" mentality of certain players who can't reconcile the fact that they're playing in a PvP environment.

Jamyl Khanid wrote:
If you have one account you are casual.

Subs are pretty cheap, I hardly think this is a qualifier. Care to elaborate?

CCP has no sense of humour.

Sean Drake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-01-05 01:57:12 UTC
Portia Venetia wrote:
In the context of EVE, I think "casual" is best defined by two factors: First, the number of characters/accounts a player puts online at once, and second; the amount of contiguous time they can play.

I consider myself very casual, probably bordering on something most people would call super-casual. Just one account to work with, and on weekdays I login perhaps 10-30 minutes a day (usually to engage in market activity). On weekends, I can manage a bit more contiguous time (2 to 3 hours on one day), so I can do other things, but even that is constrained by time. Activities in EVE consume time like few other games, and the level of planning required means I can plan and execute one activity and then it's done.

High-sec mining is the fastest activity to execute, IMO; I can walk into or out of that in minutes. PvP is usually the slowest; putting a ship together, getting into the empty JC, then tripping over to low-sec and looking for fights. I could walk face-first into a gate camp and speed things up, but that still wouldn't save the time of putting a ship together (the same applies to high-sec ganking). The next slowest would be missions (again, in high-sec). They seem to drag on forever.

No matter what I select though, it's usually just one thing for the session and then I'm out of time.

I'd actually love to know the opposite answer to this question; how much time do the "hardcore" players pour into this game. I can't imagine being online for something like 8 hours straight, but I'm sure there's people that do.



When I played EvE what I would consider in a Hardcore manner while off sick from work, I was on at least 7-8 hrs a day I took part in missions late in the us tz while I am in the uk so that I could still spend time with mygf/family and took part in alarm clock ops against pos etc.
I got an email one xmas day asking me to log on as I was a pos gunner and we were under attack and sneaked away from the festivites to do so.
I once played 17 hrs solid and eventually logged off after a corp mate woke me up shouting me on ts after I had fallen asleep and face planted onto the keyboard typing "luh[';/kj[iujh[.;'il[u" in corp chat.
Basically for 4 years a big part of my life revolved around EvE and I would have at that time considered alot of my corp mates among my closest friends.
Then between alliance/corp wide burnout and real life the fun dropped out of the game for me, because at the end of the day for me it was the people that made the game, I found that without the corp and people I had been with for nearly 5 years there was no fun.
At this point I stopped playing all together and just whored sp until my sub expired.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-01-05 02:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister S Burke
My post was...
Sab Sab Five
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-01-05 05:13:14 UTC
i r kasual, but EVE is definately the last game i will pay for month to month....

It super caters to me and my insane schedule by allowing me to play when i want, but level always... Skill Up!!

more than any MMO it caters to casuals in terms of the skill que, ,but also vastly rewards those who spend time getting to know its other aspects.

EVE also has the best a**holes of any game i have ever played, and that makes me Big smile every time i log in
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-01-05 05:17:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.


Damn that was quick, only 1 post in and the "play style" crap starts.

If you can't answer the OP's question, why did you feel this overwhelming urge to post what amounts to nothing?



It's a ******** question.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#35 - 2013-01-05 05:48:22 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
"Casual players" tend to not be, and the term is often used as a shield because it's an "everyman" term (think politics). But the real casuals are just playing the game in whatever niche they've found, are happy with it, and don't give two ***** what the grand vision is.


^^ pretty much this ^^

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.

Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#36 - 2013-01-05 06:04:48 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
I keep seeing that definition thrown around:

"EVE should cater to casual players"
"I'm more of a casual player"
"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"

Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.

I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.


The general commercial (Devs, PR, etc) usage for a casual player is a unique account that logs on for 10-15 hours or less a week.

The Player definition is generally "What I, or my friends are not but those other guys are" or "what I am but not what groups of players are".
Mr Pragmatic
#37 - 2013-01-05 09:04:31 UTC
-A casual player is someone who doesn't give a crap.
-They wait for the next big mmo to come out.
-Someone who doesn't come to the forums.
-A person who can take a 2 week break and not miss anything.
-etc

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-01-05 09:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
the "casual player", for the purpose of these sort of talks is someone who:

- not really interested in game community
- not really interested in overall health of the game
- not really interested in anything involving deferred gratification
- not really interested in understanding the nuances and finer knowledge of the game
Doddy
Excidium.
#39 - 2013-01-05 09:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Some Rando wrote:
I keep seeing that definition thrown around:

"EVE should cater to casual players"
"I'm more of a casual player"
"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"

Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.

I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.


Casual player only has connections to carebearism or pve because it is harder to be a casual pvper in many cases (though not all). A casual player is someone who pops on for short periods of gameplay at irregular times as you know rl is more important. Obviously if you do missions or mining this is very straight forward. If you do fleet combat though it gets more complicated. Casual players won't necessarily be around when ops are timed and so can miss out. They may also find themselves having to log out in mid-op possibly in hostile space. They also won't have as much time online to do the logistics involved in replacing particular ships or movement ops to front lines etc. This again varies alot though as the bigger alliances have round the clock ops and ship replacement programs.

Some style of pvp do lend themselves to casual players though. Sadly ccp has been nerfing these. Solo ganking was always casual, log on, pop barge, log off satisfied. It has been nerfed. Can flipping related pvp was casual, it has been nerfed through crimewatch (to an extent). Solo hunting in a bomber etc was great casual game play (log on in enemy system, pop ratter, log off) but has been nerfed by dumb npc aggro mechanics (rats defend ratters now). Old war dec farming corps like privateers were great for casual play too but were nerfed long ago. CCP has also been resistant to adding any casual pvp content like arenas or pvp flagging (for good reasons IMO).

Casual pvp styles that still work will are most things solo, and then group related pvp that tends to stay in the same place and not be too time orientated. Of the top of my head these would be Red versus Blue, faction warfare and any camping orientated pirate groups that hold rolling gate camps in one system. In these three cases you can log on and join in at pretty much any time you fancy.

Eve pvp is alot less casual than most games, so people wanting a quick fix are more likely to just load up something else. When I have a spare 30 mins i don't log on to eve, i log on to WOT and i think alot of others are the same. When i have time off work etc then i can play less casually and eve is a much more attractive proposition.

Even if you do have a casual play style you need to fund your pvp somehow which is why ganking was great. Some people manage to have a casual isk source (trading for example) but for others grinding the isk makes casual pvp unattractive.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#40 - 2013-01-05 09:40:41 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.

The entitlement started early, I guess I'll have to settle for no answer to my question. Welp.

Accualy, Nexus answered your question well.
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