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Define "casual player"

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-04 17:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
I keep seeing that definition thrown around:

"EVE should cater to casual players"
"I'm more of a casual player"
"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"

Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.

I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#2 - 2013-01-04 17:28:44 UTC
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-01-04 17:30:41 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.


Damn that was quick, only 1 post in and the "play style" crap starts.

If you can't answer the OP's question, why did you feel this overwhelming urge to post what amounts to nothing?

Ginger Barbarella
#4 - 2013-01-04 17:31:46 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.


This.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Ginger Barbarella
#5 - 2013-01-04 17:32:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.


Damn that was quick, only 1 post in and the "play style" crap starts.

If you can't answer the OP's question, why did you feel this overwhelming urge to post what amounts to nothing?




"Pot, this is Kettle."

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-01-04 17:32:18 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.

this really.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-04 17:33:41 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.

The entitlement started early, I guess I'll have to settle for no answer to my question. Welp.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-01-04 17:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
"Casual players" tend to not be, and the term is often used as a shield because it's an "everyman" term (think politics). But the real casuals are just playing the game in whatever niche they've found, are happy with it, and don't give two ***** what the grand vision is.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-01-04 17:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Some Rando wrote:
I keep seeing that definition thrown around:

"EVE should cater to casual players"
"I'm more of a casual player"
"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"

Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.

I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.



To answer your question, a casual player is someone who plays casually, as opposed to someone who plays while sitting at their computer in a suit and tie. I too play casually, usually naked except for socks ,which is why I'm known for my "ballsy" game play and forum posting.....

Ok, serious answer, yea, "casual" get lumped in with "carebears" sometimes and that's a mistake. Nothing wrong with playing eve casually, that is until that casual player comes to think that the entire game should then somehow be changed from bottom to top to suit their wants and needs regardless of what everyone else wants.

As long as "casuals" accept that EVE is what it is (ie a pretty sick hardcore game), I have no problems with them or anyone else.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-04 17:41:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
As long as "casuals" accept that EVE is what it is (ie a pretty sick hardcore game), I have no problems with them or anyone else.

See, that's what I get, too. I'm casual. I'm not going to make oodles of space-cash and run a null-sec empire, nor do I think I'm entitled to my own little "fortress of solitude" out in GOON space. I'm space-poor. My PvP will never be a feature on eve-kill.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-04 17:45:11 UTC
If you plan your RL life around EvE, fantasize about your avatar/KillBoard/ISK - you are not Casual.

If you fit EvE in around job, family, sex, beer, friends and shower on a regular basis - congratulations you are Casual.

Oh and I think EvE caters to both Hardcore smelly types and non virgins alike. Gaining skills is done at the same basic rate so a plus there for EvE.


gfldex
#12 - 2013-01-04 17:48:56 UTC
Let me translate.

Some Rando wrote:

"EVE should cater to casual players"


I'm a marketing person who get himself wrong as a game designer and I want to earn more dollares from players that don't really have time to play games. I will sell objects that don't really exist or want to sell currency that doesn't really exists, what will get me in trouble with banking authorities.

Some Rando wrote:

"I'm more of a casual player"


I'm a bad player. If I would spend more dollares on the game I would not be broke all the time.

Some Rando wrote:

"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"


I'm a bad player who has just seen a friend being driven out of the game by a good player. Both my friend and I would not be broke or being driven out of the game if we would be spending more dollares on the game.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-04 17:56:07 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Let me translate.

Some Rando wrote:

"EVE should cater to casual players"


I'm a marketing person who get himself wrong as a game designer and I want to earn more dollares from players that don't really have time to play games. I will sell objects that don't really exist or want to sell currency that doesn't really exists, what will get me in trouble with banking authorities.

Some Rando wrote:

"I'm more of a casual player"


I'm a bad player. If I would spend more dollares on the game I would not be broke all the time.

Some Rando wrote:

"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"


I'm a bad player who has just seen a friend being driven out of the game by a good player. Both my friend and I would not be broke or being driven out of the game if we would be spending more dollares on the game.


I sure there are players who think like that. Not that many though. My last Corp was mostly casual players, and is doing very well in terms of ISK, Pew, fun and membership.

Pretty sure you need a shower though Big smile
Portia Venetia
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-04 17:59:22 UTC
In the context of EVE, I think "casual" is best defined by two factors: First, the number of characters/accounts a player puts online at once, and second; the amount of contiguous time they can play.

I consider myself very casual, probably bordering on something most people would call super-casual. Just one account to work with, and on weekdays I login perhaps 10-30 minutes a day (usually to engage in market activity). On weekends, I can manage a bit more contiguous time (2 to 3 hours on one day), so I can do other things, but even that is constrained by time. Activities in EVE consume time like few other games, and the level of planning required means I can plan and execute one activity and then it's done.

High-sec mining is the fastest activity to execute, IMO; I can walk into or out of that in minutes. PvP is usually the slowest; putting a ship together, getting into the empty JC, then tripping over to low-sec and looking for fights. I could walk face-first into a gate camp and speed things up, but that still wouldn't save the time of putting a ship together (the same applies to high-sec ganking). The next slowest would be missions (again, in high-sec). They seem to drag on forever.

No matter what I select though, it's usually just one thing for the session and then I'm out of time.

I'd actually love to know the opposite answer to this question; how much time do the "hardcore" players pour into this game. I can't imagine being online for something like 8 hours straight, but I'm sure there's people that do.
Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-04 18:01:00 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
I keep seeing that definition thrown around:

"EVE should cater to casual players"
"I'm more of a casual player"
"EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"

Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.

I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.


"casual player" is a lot like the "carebear" slur... it's flung to be demeaning most of the time.

I have a career (full time), do web development on the side, and am working at building a new business to get me out of the day job. I play when I can; sometimes it's maintaining PI at work, sometimes it's coming home to play for 2-3 hours a night, more on weekends. I do NOT have entire weeks or months off, I do NOT have mommy and daddy paying my way in life, I do NOT mine or mission for 6, 8, 12 hours at a time, and I do NOT set my alarm clock to take part in COAs on any of my alts.

Is that casual?? Well it sure as hell ain't the opposite. Maybe you guys should concentrate on those that habitually spent HOURS ON END sitting in front of the computer (students, unemployed, those addicted to this stuff, etc) and less time worrying about those of us that remember that it's a GAME and not a way of life. Just a thought.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-01-04 18:03:07 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
As long as "casuals" accept that EVE is what it is (ie a pretty sick hardcore game), I have no problems with them or anyone else.

See, that's what I get, too. I'm casual. I'm not going to make oodles of space-cash and run a null-sec empire, nor do I think I'm entitled to my own little "fortress of solitude" out in GOON space. I'm space-poor. My PvP will never be a feature on eve-kill.


And I honestly think most casual think like you, as do most players (like me) who would be called "carebears" because we like PVE. It's that vocal but small minority of space faring welfare queens who want the game (and the whole real life world) to cater to them rather than them adapting themselves to it that gives "casuals and carebears" a bad name.

They are the ones who will claim we hate them because of how they play. I don't hate them because of how they play, I hate them for who they ARE Twisted .
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#17 - 2013-01-04 18:07:05 UTC
im casual player

now bow down in front of my greatness peasants Bear
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#18 - 2013-01-04 18:10:58 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now.


And you've just defined casual player: Someone who is more interested in what they're doing themselves than in what other people are doing.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

BORRIS DEMONTFORD
THE OFFENDERS
#19 - 2013-01-04 18:12:10 UTC
Paying 9.99 a month to train skills is pretty casual.
Cindare
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-04 18:39:56 UTC
Hundred hour weeks,
Keeping up with the Joneses --
Hardcore Casual
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