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Goonswarm Federation is a Design Constraint in Star Citizen?!

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Lexmana
#141 - 2013-01-04 12:25:38 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Andski wrote:

7-10% of subscribed accounts online at any given time isn't bad at all.


Yes it's in the average for a MMO, but from an rising MMO (as stated by another poster) I'd expect the 7-10% to yield to an actual online players number increase if we go from 300k subs to 450k. Not a constant. Else it's not rising, it's "ranging", which is my point.


That 450k figure includes the Chinese server just FYI

This is true. And to be fare most of the growth is probably on Serenity, I am not sure Tranquility has yet to recover totally from the Incarna fiasko. But it looks like we might be there soon.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#142 - 2013-01-04 12:33:57 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
When Blizzard came out with "World of warcraft" it was nothing more than another orcs/elves/humains/dwarfs/gobs/Trolls MMO, we can safely say it was a clone of all the precedent ones with orcs/trolls/dwarfs etc.

However no one with an ounce of intelligence can say the clone is crap, after almost 10 years keep around 14million subscribers is an unprecedented record in the history of gaming industry, all the bad things I can wish to SC is to be that successful, as I would like Eve to be that successful but after a couple years just stop expecting this because of CCP bad choices this will never ever happen.
Hope SC becomes what Eve is incapable to do, attract and please to millions of players of all kinds all around the planet and leave special nerds to Eve. In fact Eve looks like a nice experiment laboratory for something else (SC?) able to offer everything Eve is incapable of and not do the same mistakes.

I'm not an Eve hater at all I love this game, less than before because I lost trust in CCP, but I'm a realistic guy and if someone with balls and cash enough can make a better version of it I'll be jumping to it for sure like many others around.
It's only my $15 opinion and I'm realistic enough after a couple years to know it worth nothing for CCP.


WoW is successful because Blizzard had been in the gaming industry for close to 15 years, and the Warcraft franchise was already 10 years old. If you're naive enough to compare a fantasy themepark MMO with a sci-fi sandbox MMO, I can't help you.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#143 - 2013-01-04 12:39:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
WoW is successful because Blizzard had been in the gaming industry for close to 15 years, and the Warcraft franchise was already 10 years old. If you're naive enough to compare a fantasy themepark MMO with a sci-fi sandbox MMO, I can't help you.

Secretly, you know you want to play WoW

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-01-04 12:42:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
When Blizzard came out with "World of warcraft" it was nothing more than another orcs/elves/humains/dwarfs/gobs/Trolls MMO, we can safely say it was a clone of all the precedent ones with orcs/trolls/dwarfs etc.

However no one with an ounce of intelligence can say the clone is crap, after almost 10 years keep around 14million subscribers is an unprecedented record in the history of gaming industry, all the bad things I can wish to SC is to be that successful, as I would like Eve to be that successful but after a couple years just stop expecting this because of CCP bad choices this will never ever happen.
Hope SC becomes what Eve is incapable to do, attract and please to millions of players of all kinds all around the planet and leave special nerds to Eve. In fact Eve looks like a nice experiment laboratory for something else (SC?) able to offer everything Eve is incapable of and not do the same mistakes.

I'm not an Eve hater at all I love this game, less than before because I lost trust in CCP, but I'm a realistic guy and if someone with balls and cash enough can make a better version of it I'll be jumping to it for sure like many others around.
It's only my $15 opinion and I'm realistic enough after a couple years to know it worth nothing for CCP.


WoW is successful because Blizzard had been in the gaming industry for close to 15 years, and the Warcraft franchise was already 10 years old. If you're naive enough to compare a fantasy themepark MMO with a sci-fi sandbox MMO, I can't help you.



There is no comparison to be made about the genre but in the company will to succeed. And I'm probably, even sure, naive but the point is still there, the best I can wish to SC is to become what Eve is incapable of.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#145 - 2013-01-04 12:47:49 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
There is no comparison to be made about the genre but in the company will to succeed. And I'm probably, even sure, naive but the point is still there, the best I can wish to SC is to become what Eve is incapable of.


Well, what?

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Lexmana
#146 - 2013-01-04 12:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:

However no one with an ounce of intelligence can say the clone is crap, after almost 10 years keep around 14million subscribers is an unprecedented record in the history of gaming industry,

It is impressive I agree but I also hear that they lost ≈1/3 of the players landing on 9.1 million subs recently ...

Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:

all the bad things I can wish to SC is to be that successful, as I would like Eve to be that successful but after a couple years just stop expecting this because of CCP bad choices this will never ever happen.

And that is a good thing because any game that wan't to have multiple millions of players has to succumb to the new breed of entitled players that demand instant gratification and PvP flags. And that would make a horrible EVE.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#147 - 2013-01-04 12:50:30 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:

all the bad things I can wish to SC is to be that successful, as I would like Eve to be that successful but after a couple years just stop expecting this because of CCP bad choices this will never ever happen.

And that is a good thing because any game that wan't to have multiple millions of players has to succumb to the new breed of entitled players that demand instant gratification and PvP flags. And that would make a horrible EVE.

Not so bad if you're an entitled player. You CANT Nerf HighSec!

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Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-01-04 12:50:33 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Forum chatter on SC forums is akin to trolling here. I won't use it against SC developers.

Of course if SC developers make SC "Just like EVE" it will be bashed as an EVE clone so they are going to get it one way or the other.



I dont understand why people are comparing SC with Eve. SC has an actual flightmodel, and is not a clickfest like Eve. Actually I think SC (and Elite Dangerous and Limit Theory) is more closer to the space game I wanted to play when I started with Eve.
Dave stark
#149 - 2013-01-04 12:51:03 UTC
i know i'm a bit late to the party but is this thread basically "star citizen doesn't like goons, therefore it will be boring"?
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2013-01-04 12:59:01 UTC
Andski wrote:



7-10% of subscribed accounts online at any given time isn't bad at all.


and that will be much closer to the actual unique costumerbase eve has.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2013-01-04 12:59:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i know i'm a bit late to the party but is this thread basically "star citizen doesn't like goons, therefore it will be boring"?



well I find the goons boring.
Lexmana
#152 - 2013-01-04 13:01:47 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Andski wrote:



7-10% of subscribed accounts online at any given time isn't bad at all.


and that will be much closer to the actual unique costumerbase eve has.



Haha. The troll insinuates that the average eve player has 10-15 active accounts. Try harder.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#153 - 2013-01-04 13:03:09 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Andski wrote:



7-10% of subscribed accounts online at any given time isn't bad at all.


and that will be much closer to the actual unique costumerbase eve has.



Haha. The troll insinuates that the average eve player has 10-15 active accounts. Try harder.


and that every eve player is on at peak time, because nobody who plays eve has employment or a regular sleep schedule

lmao

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Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2013-01-04 13:04:07 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Andski wrote:



7-10% of subscribed accounts online at any given time isn't bad at all.


and that will be much closer to the actual unique costumerbase eve has.



Haha. The troll insinuates that the average eve player has 10-15 active accounts. Try harder.


ccp refuses to give any information about this, so Im just guessing.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2013-01-04 13:05:33 UTC
Andski wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Pandora Barzane wrote:
Andski wrote:



7-10% of subscribed accounts online at any given time isn't bad at all.


and that will be much closer to the actual unique costumerbase eve has.



Haha. The troll insinuates that the average eve player has 10-15 active accounts. Try harder.


and that every eve player is on at peak time, because nobody who plays eve has employment or a regular sleep schedule

lmao



okay lets put our cards on the table then, how much alts the goons have?

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#156 - 2013-01-04 13:06:39 UTC
Pandora Barzane wrote:

I dont understand why people are comparing SC with Eve. SC has an actual flightmodel, and is not a clickfest like Eve. Actually I think SC (and Elite Dangerous and Limit Theory) is more closer to the space game I wanted to play when I started with Eve.

We will see. I always found those Wing Commander "you shoot in the direction you fly" games a bit annoying because you always ended up bumping full speed into your enemy. But maybe there is a whole different mechanic now who knows.

I would love to see some Joystick implementation in EVE actually. But it would probably also need some new HUD for better position awareness. It could be really handy in PvP maneuvers to catch orbiting interceptors or manually compensate for better tracking. That mouse click mechanic we currently have is not really helpful in this cases. Well they have 2 years time to come up with something, they better fix the POS system right now.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#157 - 2013-01-04 13:08:40 UTC
It's good to discuss this. I don't doubt the EVE devs are reading all the buzz around SC and E:D. They have to keep eye on any plausible competition which, let's be honest here, has been pretty non-existant for the whole lifespan of EVE.

Everyone of you who love EVE, you should be wishing for SC to be a brilliant space game that will seriously threaten to eat EVE's playerbase. It's the only way to make sure CCP will stop wasting your hard earned dollars for projects like a certain console game, and put that money into developing EVE instead.
Newsflash
Doomheim
#158 - 2013-01-04 13:11:27 UTC
"hardcore" eve player is dieing breed. times are changing and if ccp cant change with... then there will be left the small group of those hardcore bittervets and nothing else. and before you know server is put to its final rest. other games are coming and they do not intend to be as harsh palce as eve but to serve people of today more friendly place to exist and do what they want without having to fear someone coming and ruining fun and game experience service they are paying to be playing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#159 - 2013-01-04 13:12:36 UTC
Newsflash wrote:
"hardcore" eve player is dieing breed. times are changing and if ccp cant change with... then there will be left the small group of those hardcore bittervets and nothing else. and before you know server is put to its final rest. other games are coming and they do not intend to be as harsh palce as eve but to serve people of today more friendly place to exist and do what they want without having to fear someone coming and ruining fun and game experience service they are paying to be playing.


go play one of those other games where everyone is super nice and cuddly to each other then

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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#160 - 2013-01-04 13:15:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
go play one of those other games where everyone is super nice and cuddly to each other then


We all know you goons think that you're playing EVE the only way it was meant to be played.

Unfortunately with that attitude, EVE will eventually shrink and die. Competition is coming, CCP needs to be prepared. They can still offer the most harsh and thrilling experience, but if harsh and unforgiving is all they offer - well good luck with that.