Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is a counter, it's already built into the cloaking device itself:
You either need to wait after decloaking to actually *do* anything, or you are flying a ship that is deliberately gimped in combat capabilities in exchange for being able to act immediately.

Compare a T3 fit with the Covops module to one with an actual combat module if you want to see a fine example of this principle in action.

If you are running anomalies solo with neutrals in system that could be a real threat.

Otherwise, kill it and everyone warps off. It's a counterable threat model, fit and play to counter that particular threat and it isn't an issue.

First off, you are not offering anything to maintain balance.
You are pushing everything to benefit the pilots using local to avoid risk, by removing the counter created by the sandbox.
If you want cloaks to sacrifice stability or permit themselves to be hunted, they have named a price: No being listed in local.
It gives both sides something, not just one side.

TO a previous argument by another poster, implying that null sec would empty out if cloaked vessels were able to do more than AFK Cloak...

This is not a serious concern. Consider who would be leaving, and what loss null or low would suffer as a result.

Pilot who used local to avoid all risk, and could not operate without it's flawless alerts to danger.
The Loss? Considering this a loss is amusing. They were not contributing anything significant, and were sucking up all the higher valued ore. This would be a net gain.

As to other PvE pilots, who use local simply because the bar was lowered, they will play as intended, and be more successful without the leaches taking their ABC ores.

PvP pilots were hoping this would happen, as they can now hunt more ships.
(Think about it... the cloaked ships aren't leaving, and can now be hunted. The PvE guys who left could never be hunted, as they always got safe the moment a PvP ship entered system... = No Loss.)

You can if you feel it helps your ego, personally I could not care less, I said what I wanted to say and said it in a direct no nonsense way, it matters not to me whether you think I am wrong or not, I know what I know and you know what you know.

Oh it has absolutely nothing to do with ego, although I see you just can't help yourself with those little jibes.

I expect anyone with an opinion based on facts, to be able to argue in it's favour. But all you've manage to do is call people names and avoid points made. Not what I would call a direct no nonsense way, but each to their own I guess.

Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree.

Lets agree to disagree, and I wish you all the best.

Please can you explain that sentence as it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The point made was if local was removed in null and with the inability to deal with cloakies that null would have less people in it. If you seriously cannot kill people in null because of their intel channels based on local you are doing it wrong.

Are you talking about bots using local to get safe, in which case I can only say death to all bots...




Oh this:

Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK.

I agree with you!

Quite simply, the majority of AFK Cloaking complainers make no effort to defend, just complain.

Even a small fleet with a handful of vessels ready to warp to trouble in the same system are enough to deter the threat of most hot drops, and obviously give PvE assets time needed to evade issues.

In cases where it is not a titan prepared with a full combat cyno, any such defense fleet is normally more than a covert group is willing to engage, as they would be risking more in ISK losses than they could reasonably hope to gain.

If they do have titans, remote force projection may be the least of your issues, as they have expensive assets backing them at the very least...

Everyone wants to win and have the advantage in whatever they do. Very few people can look beyond personal perks and propose changes to make the game more balanced. Most of us know the cloaking mechanics in Eve are imbalanced in the favor of the cloaking ship and his allies. Most of us use this mechanic because it is so powerful. Those who rely on the mechanic won't admit it's imbalanced and fight against any change that reduces it's effectiveness.

Talking about interrupting someone's nullsec ratting or mining by putting a cloaking ship in their system because null sec should have risks. Yes, let's have a mechanic that forces a group of players to constantly exert effort to defend against something that can project it's force without risk at anytime without warning and without having to be at the keyboard. So group B has to form fleets and always work together because of an unknown threat. Group A, the cloaky group can jack off and from time to time tab over to peek in the system they are camping. If the system they are camping lets their guard down they can log in the squad, hit the target, and then leave "Risk Free".

Being in the cloaky group is easy and risk free. This coming from first hand experiance of hot dropping people.