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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#521 - 2013-01-08 17:39:01 UTC
Skydell wrote:


I was thinking just that.
With risk comes reward, no?
The reward of telling the Ice bots to sod off, the reward of knowing you have 4000 Home made Taloe, fully fitted sitting in your Outpost if someone shows up to contest you.

Not good enough though is it?
You want the ISK pile.

Ulterior motives. Hmmm


Once again, we can trivially JF those Taloses in.



PS Talos = loserboat. Nagas ftw.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#522 - 2013-01-08 17:40:33 UTC
malcanis you were an independent thinker until you disagreed with vaerah

you used to be cool
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2013-01-08 17:40:53 UTC
Skydell wrote:
I was thinking just that.
With risk comes reward, no?

Which rewards are you talking about, when it's still not even remotely close to competing capacity-wise or price-wise with hisec, and that's before you start factoring in lossage due to theft.

Skydell wrote:
The reward of telling the Ice bots to sod off

How?

Skydell wrote:
the reward of knowing you have 4000 Home made Taloe, fully fitted sitting in your Outpost if someone shows up to contest you.

Except while you were making those 4000 "home made taloe (whatever that is)", 3750 of them got stolen because everyone has access to them.

Skydell wrote:
Not good enough though is it?
You want the ISK pile.

Ulterior motives. Hmmm

I make just as much in hisec, for less effort and less risk. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#524 - 2013-01-08 17:43:55 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
malcanis you were an independent thinker until you disagreed with vaerah

you used to be cool



Only now at this late hour do I see the error of my ways

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#525 - 2013-01-08 17:44:04 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.


this thread doesn't stop giving, looool


Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#526 - 2013-01-08 17:45:02 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
He didn't mention the 0-1 professional VANIS forum warriorsCry

Apparently you're not professional enough. :smith:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#527 - 2013-01-08 17:45:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
I was thinking just that.
With risk comes reward, no?

Which rewards are you talking about, when it's still not even remotely close to competing capacity-wise or price-wise with hisec, and that's before you start factoring in lossage due to theft.


Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#528 - 2013-01-08 17:46:14 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.


this thread doesn't stop giving, looool


Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.



Tell us more about the great goon consipracy

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#529 - 2013-01-08 17:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Lord Zim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
He didn't mention the 0-1 professional VANIS forum warriorsCry

Apparently you're not professional enough. :smith:


He just got dragged into someone else's social engineering.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#530 - 2013-01-08 17:48:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.


this thread doesn't stop giving, looool


Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.



Tell us more about the great goon consipracy


I am surprised YOU did not make past the first lines. Those were bait for the others.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#531 - 2013-01-08 17:48:11 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow.

Send them to CCP, maybe they can start focusing more consistently on features and *gasp* finish them, instead of halfassing them and hopping on to the next shiny as they have done the last 3+ years.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#532 - 2013-01-08 17:49:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.


this thread doesn't stop giving, looool


Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.


I don't quite understand, can you make some charts to explain?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#533 - 2013-01-08 17:51:12 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow.

Send them to CCP, maybe they can start focusing more consistently on features and *gasp* finish them, instead of halfassing them and hopping on to the next shiny as they have done the last 3+ years.


Actually the last 1 year has been fruitfully spent into fixing an ounce of what should have been fixed in the last 10 years, while reducing / removing long standing useful features and implementing alternate stuff like the oh-so-needed inventory 2.0, pizza targetting AND *flawless* Blink crimewatch!

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#534 - 2013-01-08 17:51:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Or would it be best if CCP first redid the sov mechanics so that there are again a lot of sov "actors" and THEN (or also together) gave the industry buffs needed to make null sec on par / better than hi sec?

If I had to choose, I would say fix the sov system first, then industry, but honestly who cares, they're both needed.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#535 - 2013-01-08 17:52:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Andski wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.


this thread doesn't stop giving, looool


Not surprised you did not make past the first lines.


I don't quite understand, can you make some charts to explain?


As long as you prove you got the beginner's basics, sure! Link me an example of exhaustion BUOB and I'll start.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#536 - 2013-01-08 17:55:04 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Or would it be best if CCP first redid the sov mechanics so that there are again a lot of sov "actors" and THEN (or also together) gave the industry buffs needed to make null sec on par / better than hi sec?

If I had to choose, I would say fix the sov system first, then industry, but honestly who cares, they're both needed.


See, it's so easy. My agreement to these changes - only if doing all of them and in that order - rises from the former 75% to 100%.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#537 - 2013-01-08 17:55:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Who do I send 27k ISK to? Sounds like some alliance direly needs all the possible help or they won't make it to tomorrow.

Send them to CCP, maybe they can start focusing more consistently on features and *gasp* finish them, instead of halfassing them and hopping on to the next shiny as they have done the last 3+ years.

Actually the last 1 year has been fruitfully spent into fixing an ounce of what should have been fixed in the last 10 years, while reducing / removing long standing useful features and implementing alternate stuff like the oh-so-needed inventory 2.0, pizza targetting AND *flawless* Blink crimewatch!

Yes, they've fixed tons of minor issues, and done something to FW. PI still sucks ****, sov warfare still sucks ****, POSes still suck, WIS is DOA and dust'll be DOA etc etc etc etc.

If CCP hadn't spent a few hundred dev years on dust, and instead had focused on EVE, EVE would've been in a completely different place today.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#538 - 2013-01-08 18:18:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Plenty of arguments have been made by people who actually live in 0.0

Many of you don't even live in null. You're carebears, by your own admission. You do industry in high sec. You mission in high sec. You trade in high sec. You do a good portion of your logistics in high sec. Just because you're hiding behind an alt doesn't mean you're not benefiting from the very same CONCORD-enforced NRDS status you are at the same time decrying. If you were "real men", you'd go straddle your empire over some low sec systems that bordered your precious little wasteland and get the best of both worlds. Unfortunately, that would mean that many of the "speshul" mechanics (jump bridges and bubbles come to mind) that CCP put into null sec would be unavailable to you in those low sec systems, and you'd have to play semi-competently in order to succeed there, which is probably why you would rather just lobby CCP to "fix" the game so you can win at it.

Malcanis wrote:
Can you explain how, exactly, those "committed industrial players" could overcome the incredible hard-coded structural advantages that industrialists in hi-sec get?

High sec industrialists are limited by the supply of raw materials. With the drone loot nerf and meta 0 drops nerf, null security industrialists have a decided advantage over their high security space counterparts, and you know that. Your mission, at this point, is to further diminish their ability so that only players like you, who already have a logistical supply chain from null, can flourish. CCP headed you off, though, with the Venture, so that now there are alternative sources of higher end minerals. Next you'll be calling for that to be nerfed.

Lord Zim wrote:
If CCP hadn't spent a few hundred dev years on dust, and instead had focused on EVE, EVE would've been in a completely different place today.

How have YOU made EVE Online better in that time?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#539 - 2013-01-08 18:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I really, really wanted to stay off this thread because of course it started talking about one thing and of course it got derailed in the current mittani.com propaganda like every single other vaguely 0.0 pertinent thread, where you see the same 4-5 Goonwaffe professional forum warriors twisting every topic to suit their current agenda.

last I checked this was my thread, care to explain how my 800 man alliance with 4 blues is some sort of evil empire?
Thread has been on topic, rather linearly

NPC corp posters post their outrage about why null alliances don't have open borders.
I gently explain to them that in an environment that only supports resource harvesting, concepts like free trade don't work or apply.
NPC corp highsec dwellers post their outrage that null alliances don't rewrite CCP's code or override three centuries of proven economic theory
nullsec forum crew starts going to town on posters' ignorance of the game
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#540 - 2013-01-08 18:43:20 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Plenty of arguments have been made by people who actually live in 0.0

Many of you don't even live in null. You're carebears, by your own admission. You do industry in high sec. You mission in high sec. You trade in high sec. You do a good portion of your logistics in high sec. Just because you're hiding behind an alt doesn't mean you're not benefiting from the very same CONCORD-enforced NRDS status you are at the same time decrying...


Quite so. Don't you think we should be able to stop doing that.

I'll say it one more time in case you missed it the other times:

There

Aren't

Enough

Production

Slots

In

0.0

For

Us

To

Build

What

We

Need.

There just aren't enough. They're not there. It's not possible to have enough. Something needs to change.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016