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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#461 - 2013-01-08 14:27:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Any time you guys feel it is too much of a burden to run your DotLan empire, feel free to pack it up and move to High Sec.
So what you're saying is that you're ok with the vast majority of space being worthless?
Would you care to one-up that? Perhaps claim that it's even good for the game that all those systems, and all the mechanics that go with them, are meaningless appendages that just sit there?


would you care to go back and address any of the points I made that you and your little tribe parsed out?

Didn't think so.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#462 - 2013-01-08 14:28:10 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
You don't want to invest the time in your space because it not ISK sensible to do so.

One system, located 2 jumps out of jita, can outperform a whole region in nullsec. It isn't feasible to refine and manufacture in the same station (well, it is possible, but 9 slots is a bit on the low side, when it's 18% of the equivalent station in hisec, and 1.64% of the equivalent system in hisec).

But please, do continue to harp on and on about how it's all about the isk.


Any time you guys feel it is too much of a burden to run your DotLan empire, feel free to pack it up and move to High Sec.



That's funny, normally we hear a lot of complaints whem 0.0 visit hi-sec en masse.

Still, if that's what you really want, I'm sure we can arrange something.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#463 - 2013-01-08 14:30:22 UTC
Skydell wrote:
would you care to go back and address any of the points I made that you and your little tribe parsed out?

What, you had points?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#464 - 2013-01-08 14:31:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
That's funny, normally we hear a lot of complaints whem 0.0 visit hi-sec en masse.

Still, if that's what you really want, I'm sure we can arrange something.

I'd prefer it if EVE Online: Trammel didn't arrive quite yet. Let's at least force CCP to fix nullsec industry first, shall we?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#465 - 2013-01-08 14:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Skydell wrote:
would you care to go back and address any of the points I made that you and your little tribe parsed out?
That was the full quote, you know... You had no point, so one had to be divined from the nonsensical one-liner you did post.

So I ask again: is that what you're saying -- that it's good for the game that large portions of it are made useless?
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#466 - 2013-01-08 14:39:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Skydell wrote:
would you care to go back and address any of the points I made that you and your little tribe parsed out?
That was the full quote, you know... You had no point, so one had to be divined from the nonsensical one-liner you did post.

So I ask again: is that what you're saying -- that it's good for the game that large portions of it are made useless?


There is something I have learned in my many years of EVE and that is that very few actually get the boon work. While we see a hand full of people here on GD pumping for a better Null, if CCP give them that better Null, most of their alliances will be out doing mindless pew pew while a very choice batch of people sit in stations rolling in untold trillions.

High Sec as the core and High sec as the equalizer eliminates the centralization of ISK in the manufacturing aspect of EVE.

This isn't about a better Null. This is about a better ISK pooling farm.

You know this, I know this, you know I know this so you go out of your wat to discredit me. I have come to the conclusion that CCP while they won't support me on the forums know that I am right too. Maybe they give me more credit than I deserve because I can tell you and them, I am growing tired of fighting this war on my own. I grow tired of the never ending assault on my play style or my ethic in EVE.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#467 - 2013-01-08 14:47:04 UTC
Skydell wrote:
while a very choice batch of people sit in stations rolling in untold trillions.

Funny, we do that already, in hisec.

Skydell wrote:
High Sec as the core and High sec as the equalizer eliminates the centralization of ISK in the manufacturing aspect of EVE.

You're so naive, it's almost cute.

Skydell wrote:
This isn't about a better Null. This is about a better ISK pooling farm.

But then you smoke a fat doobie and come up with this.

Skydell wrote:
You know this, I know this, you know I know this so you go out of your wat to discredit me. I have come to the conclusion that CCP while they won't support me on the forums know that I am right too. Maybe they give me more credit than I deserve because I can tell you and them, I am growing tired of fighting this war on my own. I grow tired of the never ending assault on my play style or my ethic in EVE.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog_t.jpg

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#468 - 2013-01-08 14:59:34 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
while a very choice batch of people sit in stations rolling in untold trillions.

Funny, we do that already, in hisec.

Skydell wrote:
High Sec as the core and High sec as the equalizer eliminates the centralization of ISK in the manufacturing aspect of EVE.

You're so naive, it's almost cute.

Skydell wrote:
This isn't about a better Null. This is about a better ISK pooling farm.

But then you smoke a fat doobie and come up with this.

Skydell wrote:
You know this, I know this, you know I know this so you go out of your wat to discredit me. I have come to the conclusion that CCP while they won't support me on the forums know that I am right too. Maybe they give me more credit than I deserve because I can tell you and them, I am growing tired of fighting this war on my own. I grow tired of the never ending assault on my play style or my ethic in EVE.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog_t.jpg


You keep trying to convince me I don't matter. You keep trying to convince everyone that I am not to be given any credit. You try and try, so very hard. It's just a video game, right?

Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#469 - 2013-01-08 15:04:20 UTC
In class today, my math professor said "Null means empty" and I laughed and everyone in the class thought I was weird.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#470 - 2013-01-08 15:08:58 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.

Here's an idea, if you suspect I'm an RMT client, petition me and see what happens.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#471 - 2013-01-08 15:22:10 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
... instead of having a bustling nullsec where non-sissies can thrive...


I was under the impression that some non-sissies are thriving in null.

So, is null becoming too hard or are the thriving becoming too sissy?
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#472 - 2013-01-08 15:25:18 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.

Here's an idea, if you suspect I'm an RMT client, petition me and see what happens.


Shill or an RMT client. Or trained by one to win EVE. You forgot, didn't read or parsed that one out a page ago.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#473 - 2013-01-08 15:27:02 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Shill or an RMT client.

Go ahead, petition me for RMT, see what happens.

Skydell wrote:
Or trained by one to win EVE.

I'm stilling logging in, so I haven't won eve yet.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#474 - 2013-01-08 15:28:13 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
I was under the impression that some non-sissies are thriving in null.

PVPers are doing just fine, yes. I want our non-sissy industrialists to come back to nullsec, too.

Malphilos wrote:
So, is null becoming too hard or are the thriving becoming too sissy?

Neither.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#475 - 2013-01-08 15:45:06 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Malphilos wrote:
I was under the impression that some non-sissies are thriving in null.

PVPers are doing just fine, yes. I want our non-sissy industrialists to come back to nullsec, too.




The ones who won't do it because it's easier to do it in high sec? Those non-sissies?

Stop trying to control everything Goonie. Start playing the game.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#476 - 2013-01-08 15:47:13 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.

Here's an idea, if you suspect I'm an RMT client, petition me and see what happens.


Shill or an RMT client. Or trained by one to win EVE. You forgot, didn't read or parsed that one out a page ago.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that nullseccers don't have highly capabable industry, trade, invention, etc alts who make us a whole bunch of ISK tyvm.

Well we do.

All we're asking is for it to be viable for us to conduct those activities in 0.0, in the space we own and fought for and invested time and effort into. We'll be making pretty much the same amount of ISK. We'll be making pretty much the same stuff. We'll be making pretty much the same ISK, too. All we need is for the facilities in sov 0.0 to be capable of being brought to the same level as they are in hi-sec, plus maybe a small increment to account for that investment and the risk factor.

What's your problem with that?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#477 - 2013-01-08 15:51:20 UTC
Skydell wrote:
While we see a hand full of people here on GD pumping for a better Null, if CCP give them that better Null, most of their alliances will be out doing mindless pew pew while a very choice batch of people sit in stations rolling in untold trillions.
…and?

Quote:
This isn't about a better Null. This is about a better ISK pooling farm.
No, it's about null allowing full player freedom rather than being trumped by highsec as far as industry goes, to make it worth-while to actually set up an industrial core to feed the war machine.

So the question remains: are you really saying that it's good for the game that large portions of it are made useless? Because it sure looks like that's what you're saying.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#478 - 2013-01-08 15:53:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.

Here's an idea, if you suspect I'm an RMT client, petition me and see what happens.


Shill or an RMT client. Or trained by one to win EVE. You forgot, didn't read or parsed that one out a page ago.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that nullseccers don't have highly capabable industry, trade, invention, etc alts who make us a whole bunch of ISK tyvm.

Well we do.

All we're asking is for it to be viable for us to conduct those activities in 0.0, in the space we own and fought for and invested time and effort into. We'll be making pretty much the same amount of ISK. We'll be making pretty much the same stuff. We'll be making pretty much the same ISK, too. All we need is for the facilities in sov 0.0 to be capable of being brought to the same level as they are in hi-sec, plus maybe a small increment to account for that investment and the risk factor.

What's your problem with that?


I've said it already. It's too easy for you guys to regulate the player content now. What you ask for cements status Quo. It stagnates EVE and the only purpose it serves is to put EVE at risk of being an even bigger RMT haven. I can't compete with Null sec now. What you want simply fortifies your unbreakable position as the Over Lords of EVE. That isn't good for EVE.
Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#479 - 2013-01-08 15:54:45 UTC
Just to get back on topic, having actually lived under a NRDS policy (Foundation/Great wildlands). I can tell you that it is VERY tempting to shoot neutrals. However, NPC null is probably the only place that NRDS would actually work because of it’s proximity with high sec. Some of the benefits of a NRDS policy is allowing neutrals to trade at stations, providing much needed equipment & ships at reasonable prices.

Once you start getting deeper into player control sov, NBSI is the only way to go.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#480 - 2013-01-08 15:56:26 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Unless you are a shill or an RMT client.

Here's an idea, if you suspect I'm an RMT client, petition me and see what happens.


Shill or an RMT client. Or trained by one to win EVE. You forgot, didn't read or parsed that one out a page ago.


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that nullseccers don't have highly capabable industry, trade, invention, etc alts who make us a whole bunch of ISK tyvm.

Well we do.

All we're asking is for it to be viable for us to conduct those activities in 0.0, in the space we own and fought for and invested time and effort into. We'll be making pretty much the same amount of ISK. We'll be making pretty much the same stuff. We'll be making pretty much the same ISK, too. All we need is for the facilities in sov 0.0 to be capable of being brought to the same level as they are in hi-sec, plus maybe a small increment to account for that investment and the risk factor.

What's your problem with that?


I've said it already. It's too easy for you guys to regulate the player content now. What you ask for cements status Quo. It stagnates EVE and the only purpose it serves is to put EVE at risk of being an even bigger RMT haven. I can't compete with Null sec now. What you want simply fortifies your unbreakable position as the Over Lords of EVE. That isn't good for EVE.


I'll say it again: our manufacturing, mission, invention, R&D, RP & trade alts already exist. They're safe in hi-sec where you can't touch them. They're making stuff and ISK for us right now.

Could you explain to me how you think they'd be less vulnerable in 0.0 than they already are in hi-sec? Because the whole reason we 0.0ers want to repatriate our economy is so that more people will be undocked and active in 0.0, and then we will have the opportunity to **** with each other more than we do now. And so will you! It's a party that you're invited to!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016