EVE General Discussion

Build more.



When is the last time you tried?



NRDS is about NOT making assumptions, like that every neutral is hostile AND that everyone who acts friendly actually is.
No one said to allow neutrals "free run" of space. Some of us are only suggesting not shooting first, asking questions second, but, rather, asking questions first, and shooting second.
No one insisted anyone dock up. I, personally, only suggested that you shouldn't fly your CNR around like an idiot when someone you don't know is in system. When neutrals are in system, you just have to do things a little differently.



Show me where I suggested that. Not where YOU ASSUMED that was what I was saying. Where I actually said that. You seem to have a problem about making assumptions.



Worthwhile mining op? Like the one on that battle (I use the term loosely.) report?
Why would he cloak? He was . . . part of the op?
You don't know what the term "bug out" is. They should have done that, but they just sat there in shock, instead.
Interdictor? You mean those flimsy little destroyer class ships that die to scout drones? Too bad the miners didn't have any . . . deployed.
Yeah, you can see that those Titans were doing massive DPS. If only the miners had something to counter those pesky titans, they might have had a chance.

Yeah no we can drop an upgraded Minmatar outpost in every system and you'd still have single hisec systems with more capacity than an entire region.

Hm. So I've spent the last few years taking and defending the space I claim I own.

Gee, I must be an entitled son of a *****, completely unlike those hisec guys who take everything for granted and don't spend a lick of time defending, upgrading, maintaining or anything. Well, unless you call whining to daddy ccp every time someone bumps their barge for maintaining and upgrading, I guess.


Tell us more about how we can actually come close to competing with hisec, using today's game mechanics.


If you setup a firewall, what do you do, set it up so it accepts and forwards everything and close off certain IPs as they prove themselves to be unfriendly, or do you set it up as strict as you can and just allow what needs to be allowed?


Tell us how we can not stop all economic activity when literally any and all neuts travelling through space will be hostile.

I find it funny that he's saying we should build more infrastructure and provide access to infrastructure that we've spent years building to those who have not and will not do anything to actually deserve access to trillions of ISK and countless man hours worth of infrastructure.

And then, when they do gain access to that infrastructure, they'd simply cherrypick ores in grav sites and, under the protection of their gracious hosts, compress the ore in Rorquals and refine it in lowsec to dodge refining taxes. Then they'd cherrypick rats in anomalies until their gracious hosts stop being so gracious when they murder their ships. After that, they'll complain on the forums about how horrible the nullseccers are.

Trust me, an organized group of pilots can obliterate a BLOPs drop....

I can also post success counter hotdrops too.... It requires planning and effort on your part... which I understand that most people don't want to bother with because there isn't a "guarentee" of a good outcome.

P.S. NRDS vs NBSI is irrelevant when we're Red to all of Nullsec!!!!!!

You bully people out of space and **** on a tree in the middle of the system. I wouldn't call that "working for and keeping safe". What are you keeping safe? The rats? The asteroids?


See what you did there?

Goons gonna Goon . . .


I didn't actually know that. It doesn't actually matter. And, even if it did, take a look at a map of null and tell me how much potential there still is for increasing industrial capacity there.


I don't propose you kill a bunch of cloaked ships in safes. It's damn near impossible. It is quite possible, howerever, to kill one or two of them at the infiltration point, prevent them from killing any or at least ALL of your ships, and to hinder their exfiltration and maybe even scan it down and kill the offending blackops. (Unlikely, I admit.)

Which mechanics do you refer to? Safe spots? Covert ops capable ships (and, no, I'm not implying black ops are in that category)? Covert jump portals? Mining security? Combat scanning? Gravimetric sites? Yes. Yes. No. Yes. Yes. Yes, I am distinctly familiar with gravimetric sites. Some are quite large and you don't all mine clustered 10km around 1 asteroid.

I don't propose to keep ratting ships safe with a neutral in system. They're ratting ships. I, personally, write most ships off before I undock them (pod, too), but that doesn't mean they can't serve their purpose before they explode.

I think wondering what someone was doing (and finding out) and understanding why they are doing it is a good start to understanding whether someone has hostile intentions and understanding how to prevent them from fulfilling those hostile intentions.



Are you still hung up on the concept of force dispersion? It basically means that you don't keep all your eggs in one basket. That way, when someone drops a bubble, there's only 1 or 2 of you in it instead of your whole, poorly defended fleet of expensive mining vessels. And, a couple of sets of drones (mediums might be too big) will pop an interdictor if he wants to stick around. They'll certainly give him something to think about and focus on besides blowing up your Hulk. If nothing else, they might buy you the precious extra seconds you need to clear the bubble, for the bubble to expire, for reinforcements to arrive, for . . . something to go right.

In the end, it is not the policies of the group occupying a space that determines whether things like Titan drops happen. It is whether or not such things go off successfully. Remember. You can walk into any bank and do business peacefully, not because they kill everyone coming through the door, but because of the principle the wise Thunderdick 7 so eloquently sums up in his bio. "you fuk on me i fuk on you motherfuka".

Disclaimer: I am not an associate of Thunderdick 7.

Oh just look at this threadnaught!
Doesn't this clearly illustrate all that is wrong with NBSI sov?
Why Nullsec is void of activity with the exception of bots and afk cloakers?
Why Nullsec alliances shed tears on this forum over how unfair Highsec is and why won't people go to Null?
Just look around.... the problem is the people who live there.
In order for Civilization to progress, at one point or another folks need to start acting Civil.

That's called "playing the conquerable nullsec game the way it's designed -- by conquering someone else's space". If you're such a sissy you must use loaded words like "bully", then sure.

Sissy.


Everyone we've set blue.


One system in hisec outperforms a full region.


If they're anything other than blue, and in my space, they're hostile, 95% of the time. I'm not going to bother spending time pow-wowing with joe random chucklefuck to see if they're hostile or just some idiot taking his first trip outside of hisec "just to look", no matter how blue in the face you get over it.

You want NRDS, you can go to CVA and do a circlejerk over how PR it is. I don't, and nor does the rest of the eve universe either.


NBSI has nothing to do with it being void of activity, no matter how many times you or your kind repeat this fallacy. It isn't the fault of the people who live there, the complaints about nullsec being outcompeted by hisec isn't unfounded, and we are being civil -- to people who have bothered taking the first step of actually talking to us constructively enough to get blue standings prior to jumping in like a moron.

The trouble with the whole NBSI vs NRDS is, you are both right and you are both wrong.

If Null was a place beyond high sec that fit in to a single defined box, you could make an argument for one or the other. It isn't like that in Null though.

Provi has some things going for it. It is close to High Sec, it has what the average HS player is looking for in Null. It has through the hard work of CVA and her various blues built a large network of outposts. It benefits from NRDS.

Deklein doesn't need that Outpost income. Deklein doesn't sit on the porch of High Sec, Deklein should never be NRDS. Deklein works as NBSI. It is a T2 powerhouse, making it a military gold mine. To be treated like an area 51 of EVE. Nobody is going to Dekelin to make a little easy ISK for som random pew pew. You can do that anywhere.

Both have their game value. With EVE it is also about supply and demand. The demand for NRDS space is there. The supply is not. I'm just not sure how someone like Goons could make for example, MO NRDS and Deklein NBSI. In ideal EVE that is how they would have it.