EVE General Discussion

Gonna chime into this thread a little late to the party.

I can confirm some truth to this, CVA had some 2500 reds and around 100 Blues (Light/Dark Combined) when I left, the most effect NRDS actually has is on NPC corp and small individual corps, they are free to rat and go about their business, for them, it makes a huge difference, for larger entities who have outgrown the need for a protectorate state such as CVA and its blues its less significant, although it does produce some excellent places to roam.

NRDS is a pain, as somebody who used to help with the governance of the system I am acutely aware of the fact, I also think its a nice ideology to live by, and it may well be worth the effort.

There does exist this concept of "talking to someone's diplos" before derping into their space like joe random.

Please do not evade the word filter. Thank you. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

See this is where the long time hi-sec player mentality comes in to play. He deserves to have free, unrestricted access to all the facilities and resources. He's entitled to consume as much of your resources as he likes and contribute as little to maintaining and increasing them as he likes. You owe him that consideration. You should be grateful that he condescends to honour your space with his presence.

And that mentality isn't even wrong, just out of place. To the long time hi-sec player, that's not being selfish or lazy or antisocial or entitled, because in hi-sec all of those things are absolutely true. You do get free access. You can mine, mission and trade as much as you like. You don't have to lift a finger to contribute. Then the hi-seccer tries to apply that NPC space mentality to space owned and developed by other players, and a mindset which works effectively and is appropriate in hi-sec, to life in 0.0 where it fails utterly and is entirely inappropriate.

The economy in our region is healthy as a horse. vOv

"You just want hisec in nullsec! Lazypants!"

Let me ask you again. When was the last time you successfully counter-dropped a BLOPs gang ganking a ratter?



So now NRDS is assume all neutrals are hostile but don't do anything about them? Why should someone allow neutrals free run of their space AND insist that friendlies dock up to get out of the neutrals way?

If you're going to assume all neutrals are hostile, why not just be NBSI?



Since they're entirely consensual, yes. Wardecs are honorablespacduels. Winning in a HS wardec is costing your enemy more ISK than they cost you. A wardec fee costs 50+m. Making a new corp costs 15m.

So do we. Common sense says that we try to exclude people we do not trust from our space. You're suggesting that we stop doing that and that we stop all economic activity while these Neuts who you want us to give free reign to buzz around.



1. You already said my friends should dock up when neuts are in system, so that venture mining Veld is competing by entirely shutting down my friends mining operation.
2. Are you familiar with the term "Alt" or the term "Nullified T3"?
3. Why should Sov holders not consider their Space Empires "theirs" and defend it from intruders?
4. NRDS is a sign of incomptetence on an organizational level, because it actively prevents your allies from securing their space.
6. Doesn't seem like it.



Let me tell you what that paragraph tells me.
You don't know how a worthwhile mining OP operates.
You don't know how Cloaking works, and how long it takes for a stealth bomber to point something.
You don't know what "align time" is.
You don't know what a "dictor bubble" is.
You think that a Hulk's drones are an effective defense against Titans.

Most people in null have been engaged by a BLOPS drop or been on a BLOPS drop. They're dead common. (Hint: The BLOPS often doesn't take part in the fight, they jump in after it's done and bridge everyone home.)

If they're in my space, yes.

What do you think they contribute when they're in my space?
It's not taxes on Ore or Rat Bounties.
It's not numbers for fleets.

You already admitted that you think all Neutrals are potential menaces, by insisting that Ratters should be docked up when there's a neut in local even under NRDS.

We get richer when neutrals aren't hunting us while we're trying to earn ISK.

Docking fees are peanuts compared to the stuff we actually have at stake. Oh, and did you mention market taxes and reprocessing taxes?

You don't have to dock to use the market. And nullsec corps who are NBSI already get their spoils of the minerals mined by miners kept safe by NBSI policies and enforcement.

NRDS is clearly inferior. Just ask the null-sec miners.

exposure to nrds advocates may result in loss of ability to sense sarcasm, please consult a posting physician before reading an EVE GD thread on 0.0

Entitled, you say?