EVE General Discussion

a. Yes. Yes. (You mean to say killing carebears is easy?!) I can imagine that people who put themselves in suicidal situations probably die more often than people who do not. The point being that they take a lot of people with them, and even facing such overwhelming odds, they sometimes live to be rescued or even win the fight.
b. hurrr . . .
c. . . . 3 day old in a Dramiel. Nothing suspicious there. As for a 51 day old throwaway alt, ummmm . . . gg?
d. You know what else can fit a Cynosural Field Generator? That's right . . . EVERYTHING! Except shuttles, but you blow those up, too.

I went to CVA space once. They blew me up. So much for NRDS. And, do feel free to explain what my being a member of "State War Academy, Caldari State" has to do with me personally not shooting every damn thing I can get into targeting range of?



All of high sec is essentially NRDS. Now, before you say "But CONCURRRRD . . .", remember that CONCORD doesn't prevent all attacks, and it's even possible to completely circumvent CONCORD for a fee. CONCORD does have the advantage of being automated, but CONCORD won't blow up your POS. CONCORD won't pod you repeatedly for the same offense. CONCORD won't war dec your corporation or track you into wormhole space or low sec. CONCORD can't find out who your alts are and do the same to them. CONCORD can't Burn Jita, so, to say that CONCORD makes high sec safe and player alliances don't have the tools to do same for their space just doesn't hold any water.

Trust is not part of YOUR EVE, but it is definitely part of mine, and trusting has paid off. Someday, I will trust someone and they will stab me in the back, but even then, I hope I'm not so jaded by it that I never trust anyone again. That would be the greatest defeat of all.

Finally, "Alts, alts, alts . .. cynos, cynos, cynos . . ." is the most inane reason of all to shoot anything that moves. Jumping into a well organized alliance's space with a small group of capitals (or maybe even a black ops gang) should be a death sentence for those capitals. Counter their cyno and wipe the floor with them. If 1 week old Venture pilot is an existential threat to your space empire, I posit that you don't HAVE a space empire.

Oh, and since we've got "half of eve blued", I wouldn't exactly try to claim that "trust is not part of YOUR EVE". Trust is part of "our eve", it just isn't extended to joe random chucklefuck.

So what are we going to do about this? How is it that you would like to proceed?

let me in to leech off your space daammnn yoouuu

You have heard of this fantastic invention called "a titan" and "blackops BS", yes? They have this technology which allows them to send in ships which don't have their own jumpdrive into another system.

It lets us attempt to kill him first instead of waiting until he gets one of our friends killed...



Sure it does. Unless you're talking about honorablespacduels aka wardecs, in which case, your target is willingly engaging you, since dodging wardecs is trivial.

So again, you're out ratting in your [favorite ratting ship] in NRDS space that's crawling with neutrals. A bomber decloaks and points you. The red gang jumps in to the covert cyno and all of a sudden you're up against a couple recons and a mess of bombers. Tell me how that's gonna end up badly for me again?



1. He's competing against My friends in space that I fought to take and fight to keep while contributing nothing. Why do you say that I owe him anything?
2. How many BLOPS gangs have you successfully chased down and killed while they're coaked in safes waiting for the BLOPS to cap up to bridge them back home... owait... you have no idea how things work, so you weren't thinking of that.
3. Why should I care about hurting the feelings of people trespassing in my house?
4. Sending neuts to tackle dudes in Provi is part of what Waffles has been doing for the past month+. In addition to the occasional AWOXing gang into more sensible space (which takes slightly more effort, since spamming "I'm a cyno alt" takes some slight effort).
5. I currently base out of LS next to Provi. Where we farm the bads that make up the denizens of Provi.
6. You have never left HS, have you?



You have absolutely no experience with what you're talking about, do you?



https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=726791
See the hound on the right? The owner of that toon had to at least go through the effort of applying to the corp in the mining op. "Successful*" NRDS means he doesn't even have to do that.

*Your definition of "Success" seems to be having your space filled with neutrals such that you often engage in PvE/Mining with neutrals in system.

OMG! If only there was some way for the valiant defenders of null sec to acquire such technology, then they could bridge their own fleet in and give the invaders a stern talking to . . . oh, but, wait. There's so many invaders. The poor null seccers would need some "friends".


If your friend died to a neut he knew was in system, he messed up. If a neut killed your friend and got away with it, you messed up. If this keeps happening, your alliance needs to put out a pamphlet or something. Your response seems to be, "Awwww, that Vagabond killed my buddy. I'd better shoot some Velators."



War decs = honorable space duels? And, yeah, it's probably easy to evade a war dec if you have a bunch of alts. You consider that winning. I consider it a defeat. In any event, I wonder when the last time was that you visited high sec, since you seem to think that all high sec PVP is space duels. I'm thinking it's been a while.

As for ratting in your CNR while unfamiliar people are in local, yeah, don't do that. Security, risk mitigation, loss mitigation, these seem to be foreign concepts to you, probably because you're used to going "It's blue. It's safe." or "It's not blue. OMG, it's not blue!!!" Instead of doing that, I just use common sense.



1. Your friends were gonna mine all that veldspar? And, who is this perpetual menace to your space? Who said the neut was contributing nothing? Wasn't the point of this conversation that people who could contribute greatly to null sec are excluded from it due to NBSI? And, how does leaving someone alone equate to your benefiting him in some way?
2. Do you realize it says the name of all the killers, their ship types, and their corporations right on the killmail? Are you familiar with the term "retribution"?
3. Maybe you should petition CCP for locks on the stargates, since you're so offended by people flying through and in "YOUR" systems.
4. Incompetent people die. Even competent people die, sometimes. Good job killing noobs and baddies. I don't know what bearing that has on this discussion.
5. Cool.
6. I have, actually.



Let me tell you about my experience. My experience tells me that all of those Hulks were in the same belt, when they should have been dispersed. It tells me that those Orcas were too close to the rest of the fleet. It tells me that multiboxing a bunch of expensive and defenseless ships in null sec with corpies you barely know is not a good idea. It tells me the fleet commander didn't warp the fleet as soon as the cyno was lit. It tells me that a Rifter and two bombers aren't enough to defend such a fleet. It tells me to check to see how many of the miners still had their drones their bay . . . yep, most of them. They didn't even fight back. It tells me that NBSI fails miserably, and this is a perfect example. At least if they were NRDS, they wouldn't have been under the illusion that they were safe.

Have I ever chased a black ops? No. They're rare and expensive. I don't think I've ever engaged or been engaged by one. But, how many of us have?

No, the people who are excluded from nullsec due to NBSI are the exact opposite of those who "could contribute greatly". They are parasites at best (compete with defenders for resources) and menaces at worst (spies, pirates). Thus, NRDS obeying alliances will always continue to lose to alliances using NBSI engagement policy.
That was the point of this conversation.

then again the NPC alt also thinks that sniggwaffe, snigg's training corp, holds space

heh

They didn't suffer "massive lag", they suffered a "complete inability to load grid", on a scale which hadn't been seen for years.