EVE General Discussion

It's NRDS, "not red, don't shoot". It isn't "not red, let it kill you and die a pacifist and forget who it was so they never get set to red". NRDS, or, in other words, RS.

And, NBSI isn't "not blue, shoot it". NBSI is "not blue, and I can kill it, shoot it, otherwise run for the nearest fairy bubble and squawk like a chicken in the intel channel".

How does killing a noob miner or noob ratter in his first cruiser make your space any safer from the roving gangs of people you've pissed off or who want to use your people for their entertainment? So, there's a spy in your otherwise empty system? Who cares? So there's someone in one of "YOUR" complexes? According to a lot of you, he'd have made more profit running missions in high sec, anyway.

NBSI just pisses off anyone who tries to go on an adventure outside of high sec, and the result isn't that your precious space is "safer", just emptier. Nor your resources more abundant, since there's no one there to develop them, they just sit there, raw, useless, unappreciating.

People are a resource. The one place with tons of people, high sec, flourishes, even though null sec has far more of everything else.

NBSI is just laziness and cowardice. You don't want to police your own people, some of whom are nut jobs who only want to kill everything they come into contact with, and you're just scared of them. NBSI is the result.

Sounds like you've got a story to share.

You mean, Not Red, let it tackle you in it's bomber and invite its friends in, then tomorrow do it again with a different alt.



What's the difference between a noob in his first cruiser and a newbie in his first cruiser acting as scout/tackle for a large gang?




Nullsec is a resource extraction economy. Why would groups invite strangers in to compete with their members in extracting limited resources? Go to your local Oil field and try setting up a rig. See how nice the existing companies treat you.

People are a resource. Strangers, in a material extraction economy, are not.

You also forgot the numerous one sided buffs that HS has gotten to help it flourish, and the numerous one sided nerfs that Nullsec's received to its livability. High sec also has much more industrial capacity, much more safety, a much higher carrying capacity (~10 people at a time can rat comfortably in a fully upgraded -1.0 system. How many people can run l4s in Umokka at once?), and takes much less effort to live in (which Sov upgrade did you have to install to run those missions in Umokka?).

Funny that, you have done exactly like CVA. They are truly NRDS.

Or a noob in a NPC corp in a frig and a cyno alt? Actually a good trick for running stuff in (I lol'd first time I jumped a gate in my cov ops and saw the camp scatter like roaches to 150km away)

a. What's stopping you from killing him?
b. What's stopping you from calling YOUR friends?
c. Really? That many bomber-capable alts?
d. Don't fly a gank magnet. Yes, sacrifice some efficiency for the ability to play riskier.
e. Fly safe. Don't strand yourself out 80km off a gate or sit there in a mission or complex while some neutral has combat probes out, etc.


It just takes a little bit of extra thought and preparation, but I know that's too much to ask of some players.





Duh. A gang. Next question.




What resource would that be, that they are extracting that they don't want anyone else to extract, in these empty systems? Veldspar?

Also, the existing oil companies don't have anything to say about it, unless they hold sovereignty via outright ownership of the field or a lease agreement with the agency that does, and that lease agreement still has to preclude other companies operating concurrently on the same field. Long story short: If America (TEST) or Jed the Farmer (Goonswarm) want Shell Oil (Renter Corp A) and British Petroleum (Renter Corp B) to compete on the same field, that's what happens, and if either company has a problem with that, then that company [expletive deleted] off.

Let me ask you this: How rich would Saudi Arabia be if they had excluded all the "strangers" from extracting their oil? Probably about as poor as null sec. Look how poor America is, because it lets so many "strangers" in, and they don't even have to switch out their yamaka or turban for a cowboy hat.



What one sided buffs? Incursions? Don't those happen in null, too? One sided nerfs? You mean how CCP cut the pressure on the ISK fountains that are cosmic anomalies? (I live in low sec, where the pressure's even lower. Cry me a river.) High sec has industrial capacity . . . so import your materials to high sec and manufacture there. Why don't you build some more stations? Why don't you manufacture in low sec, which is often next door to your space and has tons of manufacturing slots? (Your NBSI policy makes you safe, so it should be no problem.) Put up some POCOs? DO something out there . . . well, besides gank people? The real problem is that a good portion of the people out there aren't doers, and whenever some enterprising doer tries to venture out there, he gets interdicted.

Hey, maybe instead of just catching people in those bubbles and blowing them up, you could use those bubbles to sort out the good ones from the hostile ones . . .

a. If someone's pointed you, they're probably pretty confident that you can't kill them before you go down. They're usually right.
b. Nothing, but it only takes seconds for you to die.
c. So many. Training a bomber takes like what, less than a month?
d. Not necessary if the threat dies at the door
e. This is common sense.



Hope you like getting hot dropped



Don't need to read the rest (I did anyway), it's pretty apparent you don't know what you're talking about.



This redeems everything you said. Please post more comedy gold like this.

Tell us more about this situation.


So apparently nullsec is just a warzone, and there's no way it can be used to do more peaceful things in it.

a. Do you actually fly internet spaceships, or just watch videos about them? Want to know how often initial tackle dies to a ratter/miner before the gang arrives? (It's not a lot). Do you want to know how often people like Garmon or Kil2 die/have to get rescued in the makings of their videos? (It is a lot).
b. Sounds like you still have no idea what you're talking about.
c. A 51d hero bomber alt costs literally nothing (at most it costs the difference between the purchase price of a 1 month sub and your normal sub), and is more than capable of holding just about anything down long enough for a gang to jump in and warp to it. A 3 day old Dram alt is even better at staying alive (but it's harder to get that initial tackle.)
d. Ventures can fit Cynos. A BLOPS can bridge/jump to a regular Cyno.


If you think NRDS is such a good idea, why are you in "State War Academy, Caldari State" instead of CVA?

As I understand it they hurredly set almost every corp and alliance red that could be a danger.

Just leave them grey and shoot all greys, blehhh, someone has a hell of a time setting everyone red.

Uh, opps, this is not my main.