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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2013-01-05 20:53:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Murk Paradox wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
You just painted a picture of people leaving highsec to go to null and not login because null isnt highsec.

Last I checked, I wasn't arguing for nullsec to become hisec. What I've said is that nullsec should outcompete hisec in all aspect except for safety.

I'm not sure how much more succinctly I can possibly put it.


No it shouldn't.

If it should, it would have. It would even be anywhere near marginally competitive. But it isn't. Not by a longshot. And I seriously doubt that's a simple oversight.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog.jpg

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#222 - 2013-01-05 20:55:01 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"Nullsec isn't supposed to be independent of hisec. Why else has it been dependent on hisec for 10 years?"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog.jpg


Yes but those are only facts Zim. You can prove anything you like with those things.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#223 - 2013-01-05 20:57:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Safe flying o/


*Gets thoroughly owned

*Runs off

*Wishes us "Safe Flying"

*Is Murk Paradox



Where is your "meant to" now?



Pardon? I can't keep regurgitating the nonsense spewed out over and over by someone who only quotes part of an answer to a question previously asked.

I'm still here, and will answer any question that warrants a response.

Whereas I don't see how I'm thoroughly "owned" since I'm not the one asking to reinvent the wheel, and life is still going on "business as usual".

If you really want to make a difference for me, or think I should consider it, pay my bills. Otherwise, you won't really matter once I clock out and go home =)



You were thoroughly owned, or at least you would be if you didn't have a 99.5% resist bonus vs facts.

You said Null-sec isn't meant to be independent of hi-sec industry

Zim produced evidence that it is.

You have yet to produce any evidence of anything except that what is, therefore ought to be.



Eh? I need evidence? Fair enough. Log in. Boom there you go. The world of eve seems to spin differently than you think it should, imagine that!

How can so many frieghters and corps and professions be so wrong! Maybe those jump friehgters shouldn't exist in game either. Definitely something not needed.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#224 - 2013-01-05 21:00:35 UTC
So what is, is what should be, and we know this because CCP never change anything substantial about the game, right?

Paging some titan and supercarrier pilots to this thread to confirm your point! Twisted

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#225 - 2013-01-05 21:02:59 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
"Nullsec isn't supposed to be independent of hisec. Why else has it been dependent on hisec for 10 years?"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog.jpg


Yes but those are only facts Zim. You can prove anything you like with those things.



Ok so, let's look at the blog you posted. It goes on about a "perfect world" which we know doesn't exist. And as well something they want to work towards, awesome! So you are here doing what... telling me the devs are wrong or right?

Again, your facts (didn't know you were a dev but I'll roll with it) to prove what.. that you asked for soemthing they were already wanting to do?

I get the whiteboard is a think tank, cool. But still the only fact is what they want to do.

So far, they only dodged how they didn't want to talk about HOW they want to do it.

For all we know that's something to happen in 2015.

But until then, the fact remains, highsec is still supporting nullsec, and at the rate of escalation nullseccers need the minerals, you will not see that changed result devs want anytime soon.

There's no patch or downtime that will make that change over night.

That's what I'm trying to explain here.

It's not a simple flip of a switch.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#226 - 2013-01-05 21:03:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
So what is, is what should be, and we know this because CCP never change anything substantial about the game, right?

Paging some titan and supercarrier pilots to this thread to confirm your point! Twisted



Of course ccp will change things, don't be an idiot.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#227 - 2013-01-05 21:04:43 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
So what is, is what should be, and we know this because CCP never change anything substantial about the game, right?

Paging some titan and supercarrier pilots to this thread to confirm your point! Twisted



Of course ccp will change things, don't be an idiot.


Then how can you say that the unbalanced advantage that hi-sec has for industry is proof that hi-sec should have an unbalanced advantage for industry?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2013-01-05 21:05:30 UTC
"nullsec shall be dependent on hisec, because why else has it been dependent on it for 10 years?"
*is provided with a devblog from one of the lead designers of eve where it says, specifically, that nullsec shouldn't be dependent on hisec*
"yeah well that's just some ideal world thingy! doesn't prove a thing!"

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#229 - 2013-01-05 21:05:40 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
"Nullsec isn't supposed to be independent of hisec. Why else has it been dependent on hisec for 10 years?"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog.jpg


Yes but those are only facts Zim. You can prove anything you like with those things.



Ok so, let's look at the blog you posted. It goes on about a "perfect world" which we know doesn't exist...


It is however pretty god damb relevent when we're talking about, to use your own phrase "How things are meant to be"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#230 - 2013-01-05 21:07:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
"Nullsec isn't supposed to be independent of hisec. Why else has it been dependent on hisec for 10 years?"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog.jpg


Yes but those are only facts Zim. You can prove anything you like with those things.



You can always find some fact to prove a theory, doesn't make your theory correct though.

It only works when it happens. That's the cool thing about facts. They are there to be used but can also disappear!

I mean, that whiteboard is a beautiul patch, when does it get applied? Next week? Come on, support it. Tell me when! Show us how much time we wasted on this thread. Oh wait, it hasn't happened yet!

So much for that fact.

Gues it was just a think tank outlining what they want. Sounds like the fact is, devs wrote up a christmas list.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2013-01-05 21:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Malcanis wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
"Nullsec isn't supposed to be independent of hisec. Why else has it been dependent on hisec for 10 years?"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/nullsec-board-for-blog.jpg


Yes but those are only facts Zim. You can prove anything you like with those things.



Ok so, let's look at the blog you posted. It goes on about a "perfect world" which we know doesn't exist...


It is however pretty god damb relevent when we're talking about, to use your own phrase "How things are meant to be"



No, they don't say how it was meant to be, they say it's what they want.

There is a big difference. Otherwise, like the blog said, you should be mining because it's fun. Wouldn't that just support your whole theory about how highsec is "better"? Like mining would be more fun somewhere else? All the same rocks.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#232 - 2013-01-05 21:09:17 UTC
You know, Murk, there comes a stage in a discussion where it really is less embarrassing to concede that you were in error about a point you were making than it is to try and defend it against overwhelming evidence.

You have gone past that stage.




Just FYI.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#233 - 2013-01-05 21:09:51 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:


No, they don't say how it was meant to be, they say it's what they want.

There is a big difference.




See now this is what I'm talking about... Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#234 - 2013-01-05 21:11:26 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
So what is, is what should be, and we know this because CCP never change anything substantial about the game, right?

Paging some titan and supercarrier pilots to this thread to confirm your point! Twisted



Of course ccp will change things, don't be an idiot.


Then how can you say that the unbalanced advantage that hi-sec has for industry is proof that hi-sec should have an unbalanced advantage for industry?



Because right now in the market that's the best arrangement players can make with what they have. It's the closest thing you can have to the win win since even after a year the devs haven't implemented what you say is a "fact" that apparently I'm too stupid to see.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-01-05 21:11:44 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
No, they don't say how it was meant to be, they say it's what they want.

So why do they want to make the changes they outline in that blog, unless it's what they mean it's supposed to be? For funsies?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2013-01-05 21:12:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"nullsec shall be dependent on hisec, because why else has it been dependent on it for 10 years?"
*is provided with a devblog from one of the lead designers of eve where it says, specifically, that nullsec shouldn't be dependent on hisec*
"yeah well that's just some ideal world thingy! doesn't prove a thing!"



You mean the same one you posted that's dated back in 2011?

How's that working for you?

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#237 - 2013-01-05 21:13:13 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
No, they don't say how it was meant to be, they say it's what they want.

So why do they want to make the changes they outline in that blog, unless it's what they mean it's supposed to be? For funsies?



I can only read what they type. You're the one who apparently is omniscient about it and think it's "fact".

You tell me. Why HASN'T it been done if it was "supposed" to?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2013-01-05 21:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
You must be new to CCP's game development pace.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#239 - 2013-01-05 21:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Murk Paradox wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
"nullsec shall be dependent on hisec, because why else has it been dependent on it for 10 years?"
*is provided with a devblog from one of the lead designers of eve where it says, specifically, that nullsec shouldn't be dependent on hisec*
"yeah well that's just some ideal world thingy! doesn't prove a thing!"



You mean the same one you posted that's dated back in 2011?

How's that working for you?

p. well considering it obliterated your argument that nullsec industry is flawed by design
Lord Zim wrote:
You must be new to CCP's game development pace.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#240 - 2013-01-05 21:18:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:


No, they don't say how it was meant to be, they say it's what they want.

There is a big difference.




See now this is what I'm talking about... Roll


This is beginning to remind me of the Bill Clinton response to the Lewinsky allegations. Some people just can't stop digging.