EVE General Discussion

There's one odd thing in the whole dilemma that does not convince me.

So, there are guys who want to form their null sec empire, that is an orderly entity made to last and provide "farmlands" to their citizens right?

And there's NBSI and game limitations in the balls. The latter for sure requires at least some intervention off CCP, as the sand they sell in the sandbox is not well suited to provide good farmlands.

The former, which is the thread's topic, can't be just sorted out by CCP. They can implement more fine grained kinds of treaties and whatever but in the end the responsibility to create a null sec "major project" is in the hands of the players.

RL also used to be (and in certain places still is) a game about men violence but nations have born none the less, safe havens have been created, despite RL is even less scripted and safe than EvE.

In RL men found out that always headbutting to death is stupid on long term. EvE is not just a pure PvP grind-dat-corpse game but also a sandbox virtual reality and so far only CVA and Chribba and few other examples have tried to do something evolved from the basic PvP shooter.

CCP should indeed make it possible to elect a system to become the "new Jita" where "credited enough" (known not hostile) could act in a quasi NRDS manner but until then, it's on the alliance leaders shoulders to make it happen.

In another old and way more primitive sandbox game also there were no rules of any kind at all nor mechanics to prevent guys from stealing / breaking stuff off others. Yet the top guilds got to a "truce" and created common structures where anyone can go and deposit / do something with their suff and they are fairly sure it won't get lost.

Of course having mechanics enforcing this would make it much easier, but then it's not a sandbox any more. It's canned behavior and "canned" is not a word I like to see in EvE.

It is possible, we've chosen VFK.


ahahahahahaha no get lost

There isn't a synergy, there's a dependence from nullsec to hisec. Nullsec shouldn't be dependent on hisec to the extent it is today.

Plenty of alliances have 'dared to meta' a NRDS policy. They're dead. Some opted not to. They're alive.
So to answer your question, NRDS falls under the former category of policies: impractical and non-feasible

Let me point you at the "collective effort" I described above.

But also at the little known fact that one could implement a limited borderline system as "special case" or "experiment", no real need to open your CSAA systems to any neutral.

With all the zillions some alliances have pouring off their asses they could afford paying people to act as player "Concord" and enforce neutrality in *one* system, that would quickly become a safe haven island. Coupled with CCP buffing null industry, that system would become an alternate true Jita. There are a lot of people including me who couldn't wait to ferry their goods over there, if they knew they'd not get insta-popped just for *thinking* cynoing in there.

Make nullsec a place where more people live, and VFK would grow with the population.

With almost all of null being NBSI.. that makes things more difficult than it should... again coming back full circle to the title of the thread...

Hey, I know, try to get CVA to do this. They're NRDS in all of their space.

I'm sure it won't get griefed to hell and back.

Because your rationale is to say null should only fly what it could make and nothing else. Which would drastically alter the way the game has come about over the years.

Null has always been dependant on highsec for its technology because from a populace standpoint, null is too volatile to support the development of technology.

It's too wartorn. Meatball surgery of M*A*S*H versus John Hopkins cancer research hospitals etc.

You don't understand the inherent reason why NRDS is a failed policy, which is rather lol for a self-professed 'market guy.'

NRDS fails because there is no benefit in a society based around primary resource extraction based economy on letting people share that space without contributing for access to those resources. Having lots of players partaking in a secondary manufacturing and tertiary retail based economy is beneficial because when all those people are competing against one another, it increases supply of goods (weapons, ships) compared to other entities and drives down costs of warfare, giving NRDS alliances a theoretical advantage over NBSI alliances. When they are simply taking their gathered resources and ferrying them elsewhere for sale/investment, they are merely competing with the people actively defending the space for access to ore and rats. Huge cost, no actual benefit due to game mechanic induced nullsec industry inferiority. Making NRDS a useless liability.

Allowing manufacturing and retail economies to thrive by buffing null industry, and making incentives not to outsource industry to highsec would have the benefits of running NRDS actually materialize. You have literally fought every step of this, ironically making you the the perfect pro-NBSI lobbyist.