EVE General Discussion

Don't mistake what I'm saying here. I'm not saying that DUST and EVE were to be implemented into each other or that they were meant to be in the SAME room. They are both seperate games that are intertwined through the DUST players protecting EVE players planets. YES.

What I am saying is that in EVE itself, WiS was portrayed as being implemented and from what I read up in general was a very important part of DUST514's interaction. I just don't see people especially the Anti-Ambulataries actually taking the time to give those DUST players any type of real orders.

WiS would have inclined them to do so more, simply by being able to interact with the other capsuleers in EVE. YES I know it's not absolutely required that WiS be implemented, BUT CCP clearly gave the impression that it was a critical part of their current development for EVE and DUST interaction.

There comes a point where you have to stop giving CCP the benefit of the doubt, cause they're just going to keep pulling the wool over our eyes while taking the "Battle-axe of forgettness" to the back of our knecks. Hoping to cut off any real knowledge of the bullshit they are trying to feed us.

As a primary console gamer I can tell you right now. DUST will not survive without the support from EVE players. There are just too many other solid shooters doing different things that are better implemented than what DUST will be without the support.

I never at one point got the impression that DUST would not be heavily dependent on what EVE players are doing. They gave that from jump by starting with EVE game before even showing you what DUST was. The intro movie starts in the setting of EVE and then goes to the setting of DUST.

Obviously portraying their interfacing and DUST dependecy on EVE players to give them objectives. Again I'm not saying that EVE and DUST players were ever meant to directly interact with each others in stations, but infact. I thought there was mention of a possible common area for both parties to be able to meet and interact. Again might be mistaken, but probably not.

So I stand corrected I guess.. DUST will not FAIL.. DUST has FAILED. Before it even got the chance to spread its little wings, the EVE eggshell that was protecting it has cracked and crumbled. I was a supporter and really excited with what they were trying to do, but sometimes you gotta be real with yourself and realize when someone such as CCP might not be being completely honest with you.

EVE is real.. and CCP are some real liers..

Moar zealotry. It was clearly infered that WiS would be a part of EVE as much as EVE was to be apart of DUST. You just stated yourself how their is little motavation for Capsuleers to interact with DUST players. Now there's even less of that motivation.

CCP has come to tell you they lied, so you know now to not believe them when they tell you they had no serious intentions for WiS and DUST. Every Future of EVE video regarding DUST went back to players WiS and Incarna itself.

They've scrapped it all, so now they need to scrap DUST. Cause I promise if I see that game release (Which it wont not on time of Summer 2012) I will not be purchasing cause I will know that WiS is not in EVE and that players will not be concerned with my earthbound game DUST.

Plain and simply put the two (Althought not written on some CCP Stone-tabblet/DEV Blog which would turn to DUST cause it has no valitity) are INDIRECTLY connected.

Much like how when we die we return to the earth and are bodies decompose and become part of the earth. Earth converts our energy into plantlife which we inturn eat on our dinner tables.

EVE WiS goes put a plan of destruction for his DUST mercs from his War Room that he walked in station to. Blazay blah blazay blah.. You get what I'm saying..

Wow. Are you massively trolling or just massively paranoid?

WiS has not been scrapped. It has been delayed. There's a huge difference. And CCP did not 'admit to lying', Hilmar admitted to being wrong. There's also a difference.

Dust is due out sometime next summer, so about a year away. Personally I think we will see establishments coming out around then too.

I'm really not sure why you think that WiS is so crucial to Dust. Or that people who want to do the WiS thing are the people who will be interacting with Dust players. Dust has two areas of interaction with EVE.

1) PI. People who run PI will be either hiring Dust mercs or attacked by them in competition over PI resources.

2) PVP. Capital ships being blown up by planetary defences activated by Dust players, or Dust players getting shelled by orbital bombardment.

Both of these things involve flying in space, not walking around in bars.

Now at fanfest back in march I was talking to a CCP employee in the early hours one night and they said that they think it may well be possible someday for EVE and Dust players to meet together in a station/wherever. But it was not going to be that way at launch. And tbh, last I heard Dust was being built on the unreal engine, Incarna isn't. They might have switched at some point in development but they still have a way to go in building that level of interaction. Like launching Incarna on EVE in the first place.

And finally, CCP have stated a number of times that they are building Dust so that it could survive without the EVE link. If EVE players are not handing out enough work for Dust players then there needs to be some other kind of game mode for them to play instead. If it is a success then over time EVE and Dust will become more and more interwoven and ultimately be part of one mindblowing awesome whole. But if it or EVE tanks then CCP realise that they can't afford to lose both games in the process.