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Have missiles been made obsolete after winter patch ?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2013-01-03 17:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Bohoba wrote:
lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve
PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(




Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Big smile



Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles.

Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them.
I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that.


You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.


Indeed.

We could just as easily say that gun ships aren't popular because of their weapons, but because of the other attributes of the ship.

Missiles in general just received a huge buff, and when the next step comes a large number of tactical options (both offensive and defensive) will become available for the first time.

It's okay not to understand what's happening around you, but if you are going to be taken seriously you really should make an effort to keep up with current events.

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-01-03 17:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahvram
Acctually most of the misslie boats used in incursions got a buff. Cruise and torp went up in DPS alittle. The reason why you see very few missle boats on the incursion listing is the fact that the large more popular incursion channels are trying to get pilots to move away from heavies and cruise missles in favor of Torps, HAMs and turret ships.



The reason for this is Cruise missles are slow and are used on sniper boats. The missle go down range so much slower than the turret class sniper ships that much of the time there DPS is wasted. For heavies ships using them (tengu mostly) are in HAM range of there targets. With the HAM buff they in almost all ways are better for incursions than Heavies now.
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#23 - 2013-01-03 17:37:27 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Bohoba wrote:
lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve
PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(




Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Big smile



Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles.

Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them.
I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that.


You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.


Equipping TCs/TEs will reduce damage and tank since mods use Low and Med slots.
Also 1 TD kills 1 TC and 1 TE bonuses. 1 mod kills 2 mods.
Moreover TD ships or TDs are also not so popular because TDs don't work for missiles and there are still many Drakes and Tengus out there.

Basically it's a nerf.

Oh I'm sorry for bringing logic into this **** thread.

Whatever.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2013-01-03 17:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Funky Lazers wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Bohoba wrote:
lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve
PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(




Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Big smile



Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles.

Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them.
I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that.


You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.


Equipping TCs/TEs will reduce damage and tank since mods use Low and Med slots.
Also 1 TD kills 1 TC and 1 TE bonuses. 1 mod kills 2 mods.
Moreover TD ships or TDs are also not so popular because TDs don't work for missiles and there are still many Drakes and Tengus out there.

Basically it's a nerf.

Oh I'm sorry for bringing logic into this **** thread.


TD's use mids (which are more valuable than lows), did you have a point?

If you have the stats on the percentages TD's, TC's, and TE's will use to affect missiles after this change, please let CCP and the rest of us know. Blink

So, still, they just had a large buff over all, and more options available later.

Please try again....

Edit: And let us not forget that cruise missiles and likely torpedo's will be further buffed when they get to balancing BS and their weapons systems.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#25 - 2013-01-03 18:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Bohoba wrote:
lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve
PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(




Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Big smile



Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles.

Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them.
I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that.


You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.


Get back to me when that happens.
Feel free to leave it in your Will, so your kids can do it for you.

FTR: HML/ Drake and Caracal were noob nerfed, nothing more.
Base Drake HAM range is 9000 and all frigates range at 12,000 so if you are a new player in a Drake or Missile boat, you get gimp dps or nothing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2013-01-03 18:45:03 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Bohoba wrote:
lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve
PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(




Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Big smile



Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles.

Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them.
I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that.


You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.


Get back to me when that happens.
Feel free to leave it in your Will, so your kids can do it for you.

FTR: HML/ Drake and Caracal were noob nerfed, nothing more.
Base Drake HAM range is 9000 and all frigates range at 12,000 so if you are a new player in a Drake or Missile boat, you get gimp dps or nothing.


I think the only question is whether they will uses existing modules or if they will develop new modules for missile users that mimic the effect. They seemed pretty definite about adding these basic mechanics.

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#27 - 2013-01-03 21:57:30 UTC
No, they are not obsolete.

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Reiisha
#28 - 2013-01-04 00:57:06 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
So I have not played much since a few weeks before winter patch. I had a thought that Missiles would be rendered useless in most cases after this "fix" .

Well from what I see it seems I was correct looking at the Incursion fleet comps and from http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
It seems less people are using missiles.

I'm in training for guns but it will be months before my skills are even worth fleeting. So is there any plans or talk about this?
Might be old news but I have not been online much but I was not shocked to see the lack of use of missiles.
It is pretty clear that missiles are completely broken compared to other systems now so what's the fix?

By CCP rules they have to nerf the other systems now since they never buff do to "power creep"
Thoughts feed back ? Trolls will be ignored flames as well.
I am sort of at an in between with EVE I could care less if I play or not got other things going on IRL but still would like something to log onto and enjoy once in awhile. But as it is I logged and seen less missile boats in use then ever..


Missiles are not efficient in incursions due to targets dying too fast and missiles taking too long to arrive. It's a lot of wasted ammo and time, hence turret ships are preferred since they never waste shots or ammo like missiles do in such situations.

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