EVE General Discussion

Increasing manufacturing costs signifigantly in High Sec would be a good start, but that would make manufacturing low-cost goods totally unprofitable. Solution - seed all low-cost goods - another ISK sink right there.

Posting in stealth nerf highsec thread!

Isk Sink's that I can think of

PI Tax in High Sec
Reprocessing "tax" if you've not got standing
Repair Bills (can be eliminated by fitting repair mods)
Station Research Fees
Station Manufacturing Fees
Rookie Corp tax (can be fairly easily avoided by starting your own 1 man corp, small setup cost and that's it.)



I'm not sure where a lot of the isk is coming from, I seem to remember that Incursions got their payout's nerfed a bit, but no doubt that was a big part of the isk generated when they were at full payout.

If you've got access to no/low tax POCO's you can turn a reasonable profit by running factory planets.

In terms of ISK sinks, the burden should fall on high sec. Null pays massive ISK sinks in the form of Sov. The trouble is low reward in high sec is the trade off for low sink requirements. I don't know what the new POS revamp will look like. It can be an ISK sink but in order for that to happen, they need to make them more than just an arm of the player driven economy and I don't know how they do that in EVE because the player driven economy is the only one that matters.

As few goods as possible should be seeded. Ideally, even skills should not be seeded - One of the original plans for skills was for players to provide these aswell.

ISK sinks should be combated by reducing isk faucets aswell as increasing existing sinks or adding more. The recent 'level 4 nerf' may help in this regard.

Faucets:

• NPC bounties
• NPC buy orders
• Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
• Insurance payout
• GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
• Character creation

Sinks:

• Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
• NPC sell orders
• NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
• NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
• Wardecs
• Sovereignty fees
• PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
• Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
• Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
• CSPA Charges
• Smuggling fines
• GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
• Character deletion

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How do sov fees affect the individual player as opposed to the corp, you don't hear of that many corps on the recruitment forum asking for monthly membership fees which directly affect the player, it's normally raised by a corp tax. Granted if you rat you then contribute to the tax bill, but that's no different than being in an empire corp with tax.

The problem with nullsec (again looking at the recruitment forums) is it's nearly all PvP which is an isk sink, ships get assploded and need to be replaced, and not much industry goes on, I could be (and quite often am) wrong about this, but you don't often see industry corps recruiting for nullsec.

There is huge potential to make isk in null but there's the higher risk of losing it in logistics if you do it wrong (you do scout before you jump don't you? )

Maybe empire could do with a subtle nerf, but how do you do that, everything has a 'state tax' which you can't avoid paying? that would create a small isk-sink

As for increasing manufacturing costs, what would that achieve, prices would go up eventually to accommodate this so the manufacturer would still make the same profit, but the buyer would end up paying more for it, so yeah another minor isk-sink

On the other hand, you don't generally find Million Isk bounties on rats in the belts in empire, so you could make more money by smacking F1-F8 and waiting a few seconds for a million isk, and the empire manufacturer is busy playing the 0.1 isk game to scratch a living trying to sell stuff.

I'm not knocking null, I lived there for plenty of time, I'm not knocking empire, I live there at the moment, but their does need to be fairness in whatever nerfing is done.

If you mean in terms of producing things, it's cheaper in highsec, definitely you can use station slots very cheaply. Now jump freightering. Yes, it can be trouble sometimes, but a good jump freighter pilot can bring in tons of hulls.

It is possible to eat up the whole market, say if Boat gets two drakefleets massacred. At the same time, people with enough cash can constantly be keeping the JFs busy before then and build their own stockpile (it's not totally centralized here).

Correct. Ship loss ADDS isk to the game.


- Asteroid spawning has nothing to do with isk sinks or faucets.
- See above.
- More fees might work, depends on how they're done.
- Same as with fees
- PLEX is not an isk faucet, which your post here seems to indicate

I'm pretty sure this would work. Concord LPs instead of ISK bounties. Coupled with the fact that LP stores are also ISK sinks this change would be massive.