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The main FW topics Q1 2013

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#81 - 2013-01-09 04:24:57 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
We lived in Vlillirier, and had to fight tooth and nail for it in July.


I'm obviously talking about long before CCP added in docking rights for Sov Holders. IE the old system when Gals favorite line was "we don't plex because it doesn't mean anything".
Sokor Loro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-01-09 04:34:26 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
[quote=Sokor Loro]
Perhaps when you started in 2011 it was already very blobby. When I started in 2009 It was very possible to fly around in BC's & Cruisers and get decent solo fights.


Wooah! Way back in 2009! Man, the good 'ole days. I'm sure EVERYTHING was different way back then. People were much more honorable and everyone liked to solo.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#83 - 2013-01-09 05:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Sokor Loro wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
[quote=Sokor Loro]
Perhaps when you started in 2011 it was already very blobby. When I started in 2009 It was very possible to fly around in BC's & Cruisers and get decent solo fights.


Wooah! Way back in 2009! Man, the good 'ole days. I'm sure EVERYTHING was different way back then. People were much more honorable and everyone liked to solo.



Not really. In those days the squids were full of guys who would speed tank plexes, warp out at the first sign of trouble, and/or stab their merlins for good measure. At least the merlin only had two low slots, so a faction scram could catch them.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#84 - 2013-01-09 07:10:21 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
We lived in Vlillirier, and had to fight tooth and nail for it in July.


I'm obviously talking about long before CCP added in docking rights for Sov Holders. IE the old system when Gals favorite line was "we don't plex because it doesn't mean anything".

But we also participated in sovereignty warfare before the Inferno, before Retribution, and in the beginning too. In fact, you might notice that my name is on the all-tiime Victory Points list and yours isn't.

So exactly what's your point? We've pretty much participated in the Sov warfare mechanic in all forms. You haven't.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#85 - 2013-01-09 08:00:14 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
We lived in Vlillirier, and had to fight tooth and nail for it in July.


I'm obviously talking about long before CCP added in docking rights for Sov Holders. IE the old system when Gals favorite line was "we don't plex because it doesn't mean anything".

But we also participated in sovereignty warfare before the Inferno, before Retribution, and in the beginning too. In fact, you might notice that my name is on the all-tiime Victory Points list and yours isn't.

So exactly what's your point? We've pretty much participated in the Sov warfare mechanic in all forms. You haven't.


You and maybe Val did.. but you two don't make up the entire Gal Militia. Lol
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#86 - 2013-01-09 19:47:05 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Sokor Loro wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
[quote=Sokor Loro]
Perhaps when you started in 2011 it was already very blobby. When I started in 2009 It was very possible to fly around in BC's & Cruisers and get decent solo fights.


Wooah! Way back in 2009! Man, the good 'ole days. I'm sure EVERYTHING was different way back then. People were much more honorable and everyone liked to solo.



Not really. In those days the squids were full of guys who would speed tank plexes, warp out at the first sign of trouble, and/or stab their merlins for good measure. At least the merlin only had two low slots, so a faction scram could catch them.


Ahh kinda like Gal plex farmers of today.. I do see how much time has changed but things remain the same. Blink
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#87 - 2013-01-09 21:43:45 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Sokor Loro wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
[quote=Sokor Loro]
Perhaps when you started in 2011 it was already very blobby. When I started in 2009 It was very possible to fly around in BC's & Cruisers and get decent solo fights.


Wooah! Way back in 2009! Man, the good 'ole days. I'm sure EVERYTHING was different way back then. People were much more honorable and everyone liked to solo.



Not really. In those days the squids were full of guys who would speed tank plexes, warp out at the first sign of trouble, and/or stab their merlins for good measure. At least the merlin only had two low slots, so a faction scram could catch them.


Ahh kinda like Gal plex farmers of today.. I do see how much time has changed but things remain the same. Blink


You do realise that caldari are scoring more vp than gallente right?
I mean its been said a dozen times, just wondering if it could possibly sing in at some point, that would be wonderful :)
Kazim Scumling
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-01-10 11:27:07 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
I f we try to think this current FW mechanic on the way that it will be used as 0.0 sov warfare mechanic.

We do not make any plexes for 0.0 but we change that killing rats affects who gets sov, as plexes affect in FW and can be compared to isk making.

Furthermore if you are big alliance and you have lot of systems you get boosted isk from rat bounties just like you get lp in FW.

Now if you let ninja ratters farm you rats with -50% base bounty you may lose system.

And yes, ofc we add that anyone can join that big alliance with alts anytime they want and rat those boosted bounties.

CCP and EVE community should now praise this good mechanic how ninja ratters would unite and come to take all your systems.



Bad Messenger,

I kindly request you to delete this post and act as it never happened. If by a mischance a CCP game designer see this, he might decide it's a brilliant idea and apply it to null-sec.

Btw we're leaving Factional Warfare as it's current state is neither beneficial nor fun for our corporation. Of course we'll keep some farming alts on the winning side to pay for our accounts ;)
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#89 - 2013-01-10 11:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Kazim Scumling wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
I f we try to think this current FW mechanic on the way that it will be used as 0.0 sov warfare mechanic.

We do not make any plexes for 0.0 but we change that killing rats affects who gets sov, as plexes affect in FW and can be compared to isk making.

Furthermore if you are big alliance and you have lot of systems you get boosted isk from rat bounties just like you get lp in FW.

Now if you let ninja ratters farm you rats with -50% base bounty you may lose system.

And yes, ofc we add that anyone can join that big alliance with alts anytime they want and rat those boosted bounties.

CCP and EVE community should now praise this good mechanic how ninja ratters would unite and come to take all your systems.



Bad Messenger,

I kindly request you to delete this post and act as it never happened. If by a mischance a CCP game designer see this, he might decide it's a brilliant idea and apply it to null-sec.

Btw we're leaving Factional Warfare as it's current state is neither beneficial nor fun for our corporation. Of course we'll keep some farming alts on the winning side to pay for our accounts ;)


BMs post is very precise warning of the storm might coming .... and your post is actually sad reality what many others done .... and it was probably wrong because gals drop to tier 3 yesterday and it is going down more.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#90 - 2013-01-10 12:02:14 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
We lived in Vlillirier, and had to fight tooth and nail for it in July.


And in all that time, did you ever manage to pronounce it properly?
Coryanna
Lai Dai Counterintelligence
#91 - 2013-01-10 16:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Coryanna
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#92 - 2013-01-10 18:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


You do realise that caldari are scoring more vp than gallente right?
I mean its been said a dozen times, just wondering if it could possibly sing in at some point, that would be wonderful :)



Do you realize that the Gal plex farmers farming away at Amarr systems do not count toward victory point totals, and that defense VP counts more than offensive just like the percentages of occupancy. Same with any Minmatar that might happen to be plexing Caldari systems. (Min's aren't as big of a problem now but they were at the start of this)

This was the same argument that was said when if was Caldari farmers plexing and Gals were very close to the same VP's as Caldari but the effort showed very little effect. Lets also not forget that Gals simply do not have many systems to plex at the moment, meaning if Caldari took several systems the Gal VP's would skyrocket as all the farmers moved back in.

Besides that you guys own 99 systems & Caldari owns 2.. The simple fact that Gals are at tier 3 shows you guys are putting no LP in to your hubs and no real effort at defense. You guys should be at perma tier V with literally no effort and your lack of VP's shows you aren't' really putting much effort at defense except most likely station systems. Meaning the moment any real resistance or progress from Caldari showed it's head your VP's would again skyrocket like they did in the past.

You will just allow non station systems to flip, so you can farm them back like we have already seen happen.