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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-01-13 15:13:06 UTC
10 days away, was hoping the change would take place in 11 days so I dont need cruiser IV for BS skills :(
Sam Korak
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-01-14 10:10:28 UTC
From my knowledge you should focus on getting;
Command IV
Frigate IV
Cruiser III
Dessy and BC to the lvl you want to have the racial ones after the split (probably that would mean V)
Supreme Bashar Atreides
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-01-15 03:12:11 UTC
I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<

I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?

Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#44 - 2013-01-15 03:38:03 UTC
Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:
I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<

I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?

Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.


Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days.
Supreme Bashar Atreides
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-01-15 04:26:07 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:
I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<

I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?

Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.


Plan for late April. You have time to train. BC 5 should run ~25-30 days. Destroyers 5 is more like a week to 10 days.


Thanks!
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#46 - 2013-01-16 20:36:54 UTC
Supreme Bashar Atreides wrote:
I apologise for asking a question that has probably been answered in this thread but I have only been playing a few days. Some of these terms are confusing to me >.<

I mostly get about the skill split and that it would be wise to prepare before it happens so I guess my question is if I have time to train it and what order?

Btw when is the Summer expansion? Where I live we're half way through Summer already.


For reference, Iceland is in the northern hemisphere.
Duke Atreus
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-01-17 00:25:29 UTC
So far getting all racial cruisers to 3 and then BC / Destroyer to V...3 new toons is about 45 days oh dear I hope I make it lol.
Mike Mulder
Imperial Phoenix Legion
#48 - 2013-01-25 19:48:26 UTC
Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#49 - 2013-01-25 19:59:17 UTC
Mike Mulder wrote:
Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.


Yes
Baron Dmitri Harkonnen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-01-29 16:21:05 UTC
Mike Mulder wrote:
Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?


Yep

Mike Mulder wrote:
As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.


Depends on what you plan on flying. Seems worth it you plan on using two or more different races BC / Destroyer. Plus free SP.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#51 - 2013-01-31 05:44:44 UTC
Mike Mulder wrote:
Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.


Do you like Destroyers and Battlecruisers? Then yes, yes you do.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#52 - 2013-01-31 16:23:47 UTC
Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.

The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.

The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May

The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.

As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.

The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.

The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.

So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.

I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.

If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#53 - 2013-01-31 16:28:37 UTC
Mike Mulder wrote:
Let me make sure I understand this...I'll need to train ALL racial frigates to 4, and then ALL racial cruisers to 3, and I'll get all 4 racial destroyers and racial battlecruisers at whatever level my generic destroyer and BC skills are when the change happens?

As a new player (15 days old), should I even worry about this, or would I be wasting too much time training skills I won't use for a long time? I'm still training many of my core skills to 4.

If you don't, being new you will not know what you missed out on for at least 6 months before you have the suport skills to really benifit from BC5, chances are you will only end up flying one or two of the races BC's anyway.

For many many players the only BC they fly is the Drake. But cross training is never a bad idea.

It will be funny if after all this, the developers change the BC's to not have a per level bonus for the BC skill, and there is no benefit to get it to 5.
Skurga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-01-31 16:36:18 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Devs have said the skill change will not happen until the battleships get their teiricide pass.

The BC teiricide pass is currently scheduled as part of the update on Feb 12th according to what I have read.

The next big expansion (summer expansion) is currently scheduled for mid May

The current teiricide will most likely be complete before that summer expansion is released, although I seem to recall some thing being said about the battleship teiricide being part of that expansion.

As we get closer to the summer expansion the developers will be working hard on those new features, meaning the stuff they were working on before i.e. T1 teiricide should be done.

The way I see the absolute latest we can expect to see the skill change is in may, Although I personally expect the battleship teiricide patch to come in March. I also expect to see the BC skill change come as part of the battleship teiricide pass.

The Developers have not given us any guarantee's that the skill change will not happen as part of the BC's teiricde pass.

So although starting to train BC5 any time before mid February should get it done in time, there is a chance it is already to late.

I trained destroyer 5 and BC5 on both my combat toons back in oct/nov to make sure I did not miss out. Was it a waste to do it at that time? HELL NO! It is done and out of the way. I am guaranteed to get the benefit from it. With it being so long from the time they told us this was coming, I have even trained BC5 and Dessy5 on my non combat miner/hauler characters, just in case I ever put them in a BC.

If they change happens, and you miss out, you will have nobody to blame but yourself. If you fly BC's, and will actually need the new racial BC skills, there is no reason why you have not already trained it other than you being an OCD idiot.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879

"[...]So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring).[...]"
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#55 - 2013-01-31 17:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Skurga wrote:


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879

"[...]So I now have permission to let you all know that the skill change is scheduled for our Summer expansion 2013 (which most of you know tends to fall in the late spring).[...]"

Yes it was later confirmed to be scheduled for end of May i.e. late spring. First day of Summer is June 21st. First day of Spring is March 20th.
But we all know how CCP tends to change things, almost every thing they say more than two months before it happens gets changed. Note the bold underlined part. It says "Is scheduled" not "will happen".

Today is Jan 31st. If the expansion is to be released in May that is 4 months away. The chances of something like this being moved up at some point in the next 4 months is very very good.

2 months ago we were told the BC's teiricide pass would be part of that expansion, along with the battleships, but when things went so well with the cruisers pass they moved it up. Chances are if things go well with the BC pass, battleships may be moved up, possibly along with the skill change.

Moral of the story is... Nothing CCP ever says is written in stone.

If you want to ensure you do not miss out TRAIN IT NOW!!
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#56 - 2013-01-31 18:43:24 UTC
Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#57 - 2013-01-31 19:15:16 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.



But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion.

I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#58 - 2013-02-03 20:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Glathull wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.



But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion.

I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training.

So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#59 - 2013-02-04 15:17:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Quick question:


  1. Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
  2. I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
  3. When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
  4. For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
  5. ???
  6. PROFIT!


Is that an accurate summary?

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.

Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#60 - 2013-02-04 15:25:01 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:

So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.


Delivering ahead of schedule is only a good thing if you don't mess up people's plans by implementing half baked AI 'upgrades'.
If i didn't have to adapt to that crap i'd have no problem skilling BC V in time.

Now it's cutting things close IF it doesn't come before mid May.