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Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-01-11 18:47:06 UTC
wrong forum section artard!
Angry Little Beaver
Doomheim
#122 - 2013-01-11 18:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Angry Little Beaver
+
Abby Zor
Doomheim
#123 - 2013-01-11 18:55:00 UTC
lolfesterbling wrote:
U mad bro?!?!?!?


U seem mad ?!?!?!?


Ya your mad..........


Seems you have competition dude.....


Nimbor > hold open every site and join in, while you reply on the forums to get it fixed



^ tvp channel, tvp fc
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#124 - 2013-01-11 18:55:50 UTC
Anyone try running this by a CSM rep? They might just laugh, but it's worth a shot. If you can convince one that this is bad (I think there's a lot of good arguments in this thread), they might be able to get it looked at. (That's how the CSM system is *supposed* to work, isn't it?)
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#125 - 2013-01-11 18:56:21 UTC
So why don't you guys just move over to the other Established incursion leaving the griefed open sites here?
Forcing him to also keep those sites open too to prove to CCP its a problem?
But knowing you shield geniuses you'll probably kill this incursion so only 1 is up giving him a much easier job Roll

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#126 - 2013-01-11 18:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Zor'katar wrote:
Anyone try running this by a CSM rep? They might just laugh, but it's worth a shot. If you can convince one that this is bad (I think there's a lot of good arguments in this thread), they might be able to get it looked at. (That's how the CSM system is *supposed* to work, isn't it?)


Did you read what happened in the CSM notes after CCP Soundwave admitted he/CCP broke Incursions? They actually cheered it onStraight
CSM is against Incursions. CSM is for spacerich NULL/lo/WH alliances wehave no representation
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Abby Zor
Doomheim
#127 - 2013-01-11 18:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Abby Zor
DarthNefarius wrote:
So why don't you guys just move over to the other Established incursion leaving the griefed open sites here?
Forcing him to also keep those sites open too to prove to CCP its a problem?
But knowing you shield geniuses you'll probably kill this incursion so only 1 is up giving him a much easier job Roll




That would mean we end up in your armor inc doesnt it?

Talk about genius here, fyi he tends to folow....
Maby its an idea if he came to pester you gentlemen over there ands see what you post after that....
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#128 - 2013-01-11 19:03:46 UTC
Everyone start petitioning the sites under stuck since the sites are stuck open
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Gizan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-01-11 19:05:29 UTC
^^ do that
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#130 - 2013-01-11 19:05:47 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Did you read what happened in the CSM notes after CCP Soundwave admitted he/CCP broke Incursions? They actually cheered it onStraight
CSM is against Incursions. CSM is for spacerich NULL/lo/WH alliances wehave no representation

No. Got a link?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#131 - 2013-01-11 19:36:20 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Did you read what happened in the CSM notes after CCP Soundwave admitted he/CCP broke Incursions? They actually cheered it onStraight
CSM is against Incursions. CSM is for spacerich NULL/lo/WH alliances wehave no representation

No. Got a link?


http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
pages 86/87 "The massive drop off of Vanguard sites was praised"
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#132 - 2013-01-11 19:53:48 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf
pages 86/87 "The massive drop off of Vanguard sites was praised"

Erm, it's worth noting that the rest of that sentence is "...since they were relatively risk-free ISK". A lot of people held that view at the time. I don't see anything in that text that screams "We hate Incursions."

But eh, I only occasionally dabble in Incursions, so I'll let you regulars handle it. Just wanted to make sure all avenues were being considered.
Kroaky Oke
Old Spot PissPots Inc
#133 - 2013-01-11 20:04:38 UTC
ppl are saying that deleting a noob toon with a low sec status and re-rolling another is an exploit ..... why not just create a TRIAL account ... gank with that and then let the trial expire ?? thats not an exploit
And before ppl reply with "1 trial wont be enough" a HQ site takes 40-50 pilots .... thats 40-50 trial toons .... it would only take 10 per site to eliminate this problem , even if you have to put those trial toons in cheap frigs
Plus ccp might actualy notice that every day or so 40-50 trials are going flashy red then being dumped
If ppl put as much effort into out-thinking this guy as they put into complaining , the problem would be solved by now
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#134 - 2013-01-11 20:13:08 UTC
Kroaky Oke wrote:
ppl are saying that deleting a noob toon with a low sec status and re-rolling another is an exploit ..... why not just create a TRIAL account ... gank with that and then let the trial expire ?? thats not an exploit
And before ppl reply with "1 trial wont be enough" a HQ site takes 40-50 pilots .... thats 40-50 trial toons .... it would only take 10 per site to eliminate this problem , even if you have to put those trial toons in cheap frigs
Plus ccp might actualy notice that every day or so 40-50 trials are going flashy red then being dumped
If ppl put as much effort into out-thinking this guy as they put into complaining , the problem would be solved by now

As the sites’ mechanic requires them to be vacated for 5 minutes (guessing)to allow them to despawn it wouldn’t matter if we had 300 gank alts in system as soon as you think the site has been cleared of the pest and warp away he can simply warp in another and still hold the site.

THIS MECHANIC IS BROKEN AS THERE IS NO COUNTER TO IT.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Ice-T
The Ruling Company
The Ruling Empire
#135 - 2013-01-11 20:17:28 UTC
^ amen to that.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#136 - 2013-01-11 20:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
goldiiee wrote:
Kroaky Oke wrote:
ppl are saying that deleting a noob toon with a low sec status and re-rolling another is an exploit ..... why not just create a TRIAL account ... gank with that and then let the trial expire ?? thats not an exploit
And before ppl reply with "1 trial wont be enough" a HQ site takes 40-50 pilots .... thats 40-50 trial toons .... it would only take 10 per site to eliminate this problem , even if you have to put those trial toons in cheap frigs
Plus ccp might actualy notice that every day or so 40-50 trials are going flashy red then being dumped
If ppl put as much effort into out-thinking this guy as they put into complaining , the problem would be solved by now

As the sites’ mechanic requires them to be vacated for 5 minutes (guessing)to allow them to despawn it wouldn’t matter if we had 300 gank alts in system as soon as you think the site has been cleared of the pest and warp away he can simply warp in another and still hold the site.

THIS MECHANIC IS BROKEN AS THERE IS NO COUNTER TO IT.

additional thought:

Simply changing the spawn trigger to despawn the site when it gets paid out and allow others to spawn by that same trigger would alleviate the problem.

It should also be noted that it doesn’t require a noob ship this can be done by using a fully trained toon impossible to gank in highsec and be just as effective so again ganking them is Not an option.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#137 - 2013-01-12 05:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
DarthNefarius wrote:
So why don't you guys just move over to the other Established incursion


Because HQ sites in high influence are barely playable (15-20% resists and damage drop) and moving to another incursion will take few more hours to grind influence to zero. I.e. in high influence HQ sites are as "profitable" as lvl4 missions making whole activity nearly pointless - not to mention 5+ ships pop series in TCRC sites in 50-100% influence.

P.S. By caring about CSM you support them. Let CCP and null alliances play their useless circlejerk quasi democracy meta-game - alone.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#138 - 2013-01-12 05:51:48 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
So why don't you guys just move over to the other Established incursion


Because HQ sites in high influence are barely playable (15-20% resists and damage drop) and moving to another incursion will take few more hours to grind influence to zero. I.e. in high influence HQ sites are as "profitable" as lvl4 missions making whole activity nearly pointless - not to mention 5+ ships pop series in TCRC sites in 50-100% influence.

P.S. By caring about CSM you support them. Let CCP and null alliances play their useless circlejerk quasi democracy meta-game - alone.


Actually didn't move cause the idea of running 20 jumps to give the pinhead more LUL's was against everyones better judgement.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#139 - 2013-01-12 07:43:36 UTC
And someone like forgot to mention - he will simply follow.
marVLs
#140 - 2013-01-12 18:55:29 UTC
Yup blocking sites should be fixed CCP Attention