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Incursion sites kept open on purpose

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Pseudo Random
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-01-07 19:43:09 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
*snip*
And there is no excuse for tears whatsoever with the new bounty system. 10 people making 100+ mil an hour cant be arsed to put out some bounties? Fuckin pathetic.



The **** is a bounty going to do? Go read the Retribution patch notes again before you make stupid suggestions.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#82 - 2013-01-07 20:58:09 UTC
lolfesterbling wrote:
*sings* The hills are alive with the sound of butthurt.


And he proves he is just a griefer with this brilliant post.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-01-08 06:27:15 UTC
Sir John Halsey wrote:
Mathrin wrote:
What part of gank them are you having problems with. 2 kestrels could do the job I'm sure. Pod them out. Site despawns go to next site and repeat


Out of curiosity ... repeated killing of a noob char in a noob ship is not considered harassing?
That guy can petition and get you banned for that ... isn't it?


Nop, only time when is actionable is when done in certain noob systems (that won't get incursions from the sanshas anyway). All the rest are fair game

The problem with the gank is the ganking alts reach deep negative sec fairly quickly, in a few ganks. Low SP alts will fail to gank in the few secs window available before the NPC's spawn on grid to munch your ship (even before the alts can fire a shot).
One could bypass this by making a new alt when the sec status goes too deep down, but that (however) is bannable (CCP: trololol ?!?).
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#84 - 2013-01-08 08:09:13 UTC
Bad mechanic,clueless GM,s and some drama.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Manco 0110
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-01-08 13:27:37 UTC
It's not griefing since he has a reasonable expectation of profit. It's not an exploit either. Deal with it and stop whining. This is eve.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2013-01-08 13:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Ronin
God, are will still talking about this?

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear

goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#87 - 2013-01-08 14:04:28 UTC
Manco 0110 wrote:
It's not griefing since he has a reasonable expectation of profit. It's not an exploit either. Deal with it and stop whining. This is eve.


A 'reasonable expectation of profit' implies a 'risk of loss' there is no risk of loss here so the argument of profit as a Mechanic is not valid, with no expectation of loss the only motivation for doing this, is not to make profit but simply to sit in his underwear looking at a computer screen while glorifying himself in his rule over this domain.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Sinq Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-01-08 14:45:17 UTC
We did gank them but they just came back with a new noobship before the site had a chance to despawn. It's pretty silly some alts with zero skills can shut down a whole incursion systems sites.
Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-01-08 15:29:39 UTC
Griefing EVE-style. You can be sure that any game mechanic will be exploited to grief other players for as low costs as possible. It is redicilous, that CCP accepts that a whole system which once was a major expansion theme can just be made useless for literally no cost by some 10 year olds laughing their behinds off. But, well, that's EVE.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451

DSpite Culhach
#90 - 2013-01-08 17:42:35 UTC
The main issue is "predictability", simply compounded by idiots.

Static DED zones were changed because a small subset of people was camping them non stop, and I have read stories of organized "mafia" years back that used to camp the entry of the big lucrative ones - , kill anyone that arrived, and farmed the zones 23/7, paying players to sit inside a rent fee to do so, and if they tried asking for more, they would kick them out and hire a new person.

Places in this game keep getting moved to "you have to do some work to get started" to stop these people, I'd say eventually with Incursions something similar will be done, the spwan locations will move around and camping them will be impossible.

Give it time.

Found that article: http://serpentinelogic.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/the-story-behind-afk-complex-farming/

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Indo Nira
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-01-08 18:57:48 UTC
i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying
Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-01-08 19:56:40 UTC
Indo Nira wrote:
i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying

I totally despise this mindset. But as the previous poster wrote, this will be changed sooner or later. I'm only wondering how long CCP always needs to stop such exploits and put exploiters back into place.

"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451

goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#93 - 2013-01-08 21:07:46 UTC
Indo Nira wrote:
i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying

We have been kicking this corpse for a few weeks now, but what the hell lets try this for an example:

You have been playing the game for a year you can fly a BC very well, and have the war wounds to prove it, CCP does a Patch that allows noobs to hop in a Noob ship and roast your BC with ease. Would you then pay the noob to keep him from destroying your ship? and what guarantees do you have, other than his word, that he will not blow up your ship as soon as you pay him? As he has already proven he is less than trustworthy in his demands in the first place, are you really daft enough to trust him now?

Your advanced training and expierience are of no use against him and all you hear from the masses is 'PAY HIM'. 10 mil will in no way break the bank but give him a taste of food and I am sure he will want the whole dinner plate before he is done.

Please, don't pretend to know anything about this subject and then profess to have a solution without actually thinking about consequences beyone the instant reward.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#94 - 2013-01-09 04:02:19 UTC
Indo Nira wrote:
I am L337 Null Sec Slave and I can't stand the fact that some of you can, as indivduals, join an ad hoc group and make some iskies in this game. I am stuck on this gate camp for another week!



There...much bettah.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#95 - 2013-01-09 04:12:47 UTC
The only bad thing here is the ability to get a noob ship and undock every 5 seconds for free
with a new character.
I propose to make a 24 hour undock interdiction after geting poded :D this will solve it

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"

Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-01-09 06:48:28 UTC
Indo Nira wrote:
i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying



Okay, how about I make myself some alt accs and do the same noob camping, however I will require a payment of 1 bil to stand down...and better yet...train them for a T1 mining barge with near battleship HP, tank it to the teeth and also put a plug to most ganking attempts.

Surely the incursion runners make way more isk than that when all the fleets are up and running, they should raise the money themselves in just 1 fleet in less than 30 mins since a site is 40 ppl x 30 mils = 1.2 bils, how is that not reasonable vs disbanding and not running sites for hours on end?

...the number of people that need to stop crying and mind their own business...only 1 bil...etc...etc...
Oh...looky at all these isk, lemme make another batch of acc's and pretend I'm a different person, wee...the isk rolling in!

how's them apples ?

Dzajic
#97 - 2013-01-09 11:06:23 UTC
You do know the whole "US government does not negotiate with terrorists" thing. Well its kinda like that. If Incursion groups started paying this guy... well everyone in eve has two free noob alts per account. You'd have every single site in every single incursions clogged with dozens of ibises every single one of them demanding their "meager" 10 mill to let the site despawn.

Can't happen, won't be allowed to happen.
Sinq Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-01-09 20:50:54 UTC
New high sec incursion spawns.. HQ sites already blocked before the influence even gets below 95%.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#99 - 2013-01-09 21:10:42 UTC
CCP should allow the war decking of pilots in a NPC corps. Or just do away with them all together. That will give you a way to deal with these type of things. Only other way is to keep rolling alts to keep ganking him.. OH wait.. you not supposed to do that.
Sadly the HS sandbox is designed for bullies\griefers
Slaveball Scumbucket
Doomheim
#100 - 2013-01-10 00:55:34 UTC
NO MORE EVE ONLINE FOR ANYBODY UNTIL I AM PLEASED UP. Thanks CCP I always dreamed of being the game master and now i can be.