Missions & Complexes

Ya that's total BS.

Anybody saying day old alt''s in high sec doing this is not an exploit is a idiot.

And CCP needs to higher better GM's.

I on the other hand would just play his game and make trial account after trail account and keep civilan blastering him up.

Edit: Though I have no ideal how they would fix that in high sec with game mechanics as they are. Best solution is to train there GM's better.

This is an OK argument (except I think you meant one person; one toon would just be able to hold open one site). I'm still completely unconvinced that this is an exploit, and I think it's using the current game mechanic to profit - not greifing - but it is pretty reasonable, given the simplicity and accuracy with which you explained the problem, to say it is a broken mechanic.

The question is - how can it (and can it) be fixed? Make it so sites always despawn once completed, regardless of the ship type in the site? This disrupts the currently-functional low/null mechanic, although there are good arguments for doing it. Cause noobships and pods to be unable to hold open sites? This is a partial solution, for sure: the ships have to be purchased and in some cases moved to the target location, and they aren't free. In reality, though, it's really easy to move a bunch of frigates, and the cost of t1 frigates is functionally pretty much as free as noobships. Cause sites to automatically despawn once completed, but only in highsec, or in incursions? I don't know if that would be an easy change or a really hard change, and it would need to be discussed pretty heavily before being put into effect. The worst option, in my mind, is for CCP to say "it's an exploit, don't do it", start banning people who do, and not change the mechanic in any way.

Thoughts?

This is incorrect. You can move around in high security no matter your security status.

Exploiting sec status mechanics to boot

Ember Klahan

A simple change would be to have the sites de-spawn or allow another to spawn when the fleet gets paid. Didn’t take very long to come up with that idea so I am sure I am not the first to think of it. As I don’t have any knowledge of the coding involved nor do I have an understanding of why they wouldn’t have incorporated it into the original coding in the first place, I can only assume that is used to manage the number of active sites up at any given time.

Currently Incursion sites don’t pay any fleet member in a Pod or a Noob ship so you would think the sites would also not be capable of being held by those same ship types, go figure. As the mechanic is being used by someone that wishes to invest nothing while extorting a sizeable sum, it makes for a perfect scam (Zero investment and no risk) My only surprise comes from it not happening sooner. I would say the site should only be held by a ship appropriate to the difficulty of the site but in reality if the sites were being held by a hero tanked Damnation it would just as effective as it being held by a Noob ship, Site spawn mechanics are the limiting factor here.

As ganking him seems to be the standard troll I feel compelled to point out that anyone with an alt unconcerned with sec status, has that alt parked in Nul or low with its own niche. And bringing it into high sec to gank noobs is an extreme waste of SP, akin to ganking miners for a pittance.

I know we saw a little bit in VG sites when a local was salvaging sites after we completed them, I think the spawn rate on HQ's is so slow that the same effect has a noticeable delay. Combined with the lack of adequate sites for the growing community has presented this latest oportunity for extortion

Still no response from GM's after asking for escalation of the petition to higher GM's.

I'm starting to think that CCP slowly turned into this fat guy who's cash keeps coming in every month, without caring how that cash is been made or if the ones that work for him actually do their job.

CCP Check you'r GM's they're not doing their jobs.

And no I will not accept a excuse like "well we have so many petitions going on..." as it's been almost a week now since the request.

Making trillions on FW mechanics using brains and billions as investment was an exploit - and this investments//brain-less activity is not? Surely GM wasn't the brightest person around - petition more. Otherwise whole incursions activity will come to an end in a week when people switch their useless "power of two" for-sale-in-the-future alts from sitting in stations to sitting in incursion sites.

I have had a GM tell me that 23/7 camping of plexs wasn't an exploit either, BUT that has now been changed by new probing only for plexs mechanic. Some GM's have a strange way of looking at what is fun in the game....

Sounds like griefing, of course CCP seems to think griefing for profit isn't griefing.


Well has this guy made a profit? Tell me no one payed this jerk....


If not, it is just griefing, plain and simple.


I'd just take my whole fleet and go blitz L4's or something for awhile. Screw that griefer.


Oh... and Bounties, LOTS of bounties.

Its not impossible to get around, one can load up and orca with frigs/thrashers, bookmark each site as you finish them (or leave a scout on the gate to see which ones a noob ship shows up at), and basically spend 1 thrasher per site, which on HQs isn't much,
one just needs to bring along an alt with already terrible sec status.

However... this is easily counters by MOAR ALTs....
There is nothing to stop us from having to gank 2 noobships + pods in each site... or 4, or 8... or 16... all at no cost to the griefer.

All he needs to do is spam more alts with 0 additional SP.

From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.

The mechanics are not "working as intended"
There is zero risk for the griefer.
There is no viable way to counter it.

If it is just this *one guy* with the ability to run only a limited number of alts, then others can work around it... but if CCP says this is ok and valid, and 2 or 3, or 10 guys start doing it... CCP might as well remove incursion content altogether.