Missions & Complexes

So just make yourself a day old alt and fly ur noobship to the site and kill them with your civilian autocannon.

And your first example in the exploit list was in the not-exploit list until CCP looked at it and decided it was an exploit and changed game mechanics.

Now I know how hard it is to properly search these forums but I feel pretty confident you'd find threads saying 'people are holding sites opened with cloaked alts, this is an exploit, problem etc' prior to that change. How is this different?

Yesterday my ganking alt was a bit unprepared, but today I have hauled for him a few dozen ships n' fittings for him.



Related ..why the heck killing pods gives such a big negative .. ? Only killed 2 pods and a ship yesterday and hes down to -3.3 sec ... Seems a bit too steep

Here is the issue. We blow his newb ship up and he sits there in a pod. We pop the pod and another newb ship warps in when we kill that one the original newb ship we just killed is back again.. It is not possile to break the hold on the sites as this person or persons just continues to warp in newb ships to hold open the site. You cannot gank them to open the site as they just bring another pilot in while the original popped pilot runs for another newb ship.


Why is it some 2 day old alts can stop hundreds of players from using a system with NO risk. There is absolutely no counter to this tactic.

Also I spoke to a player who's Alt has been trying to keep this person off the sites. The players holding sites open have filed multiple petitions about being griefed by the player trying to gank these newb ship and the alt was issued a temp ban for griefing. This person is exploiting the system and CCP at this point and something needs to be done.

Cool story bro but your full of it. Keep it up I cant wait for the ban hammer to smack you in the face. Honestly Im suprised the coward showed up in this thread. He isnt the only one doing this he is just a copy cat trying to be a cool guy.

Because it was not an exploit when farmers kept the sites running open pre Crucible so how can it be when some one keeps a dead site up post?

Incursions do not belong in high sec anyway as stated by the CSM and the majority of the player base on numerous occasions. Incursions should be a low/null sec affair or at the very least kept in high sec while dropping the system sec status while incursion occurs. After all Concord is overwhelmed except from their ability to ignore 200 Sansha rats to kill my one catalyst?

Out of curiosity, please link your sources. I don't know about the CSM as I certainly haven't read all the minutes, but wherever the majority of the player base said that - even once - I'd love to see it.

I do think low and null incursions could use some serious buffing in the reward area, though. A 25% increase in reward per site, or applying the original incursion mechanics (or something functionally similar) to low/null sites would add a lot of appeal.

I would say the ability to avoid any and all repercussions for an action you take would fall under exploit.

Things that are similar to this: Holding open a site in a cloaked ship.

Things that are not actual repercussions: Your fresh and free alt in a noobship being blown up.
Your fresh and free alt being podded.

Why does the OP think it is an "exploit" for someone to keep sites open longer than they were originally intended so that incursion runners can't farm, but its not an "exploit" for incursion runner to keep incursions open longer than they were originally intended so that they can farm more?

That guy just came up with a mechanic to defeat the incursion runners after the incursion runners came up with a mechanic to defeat CCPs intent for incursions.

Why is this pissing anyone off? You should congratulate him for his novel idea and come up with your own mechanic to defeat his playstyle . . .

I dunno maybe a 1 day old thrasher alt with some warp disruptors to catch his noob ship before it can warp into the plex?


-FM

The change in the mechanic to Low and Nul complexes was done to prevent a cloaked ship from interfering with sites de-spawning, as a cloaked ship is essentially invincible. The Mechanics were changed in order to prevent this ‘exploit’.

The same cannot be said for high sec, a cloak is not necessary to make a ship invincible, all you need is a noob and the desire to disrupt a community. Essentially this is the same ‘exploit’ with the exception of the cloak, in high sec Concord eliminates the ganker for the noob and punishes the gank with a standings hit. Explaining this in more detail is a waste of time and Brain Cells anyone with a 5th grade education can see that this is an exploit and arguing it isn’t is an obvious Troll.

Brewlar Kuvakei:
All sites in EVE are farmed, be it for materials or bounties. Leaving an Incursion up to farm it is no different than mining a belt to depletion, or salvaging a mission before turning it in, the ‘farming is not an intended design’ is another argument from Trolls or self deluded individuals that seem to maintain their gameplay through the constant sale of PLEX’s.

BTW all ISK in eve is created from bounties or mission pay (I include Incursions in this category) to the best of my knowledge this includes the ISK you get for a PLEX, so anything you own in eve is due to the efforts of a Mission runner. For those to thick to understand this; without the ISK from bounties/Mission pay there would be no way to buy anything in eve with no way to exchange merchandise except direct trade (A wholly unacceptable idea).

Mathrin:
As an Incursion runner I can assure you that there are considerably less High sec carebears in fleets than Nul sec ISK earners. At any point and time there are at least 20 alts available to gank the site holder without losing a step, the question is why should we? As it is a waste of a ship and a waste of an Alt as it will be useless for Highsec in any effective way after the standings hit.

The alternative of paying him is the only option left. So before setting any more incompetent thoughts to text think, Would you pay a day old Toon 10million ISK to allow you to play the game?

Doesn’t matter where you play Low, High, or Nul this would be considered griefing, but in Low or Nul we would just pop him with no hesitation.

TLDR: The fact that one toon has the ability to deny others access to a game feature at no risk to himself and at no perceptible loss to himself is an exploit and it is griefing. Any argument to the contrary is just Trolling.