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Tarpedo
Incursionista
#201 - 2013-01-17 22:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
Good job, CCP.

Andski wrote:
This is pretty pathetic handholding on the GM team's part. At least in nullsec you have to kill the day-old alt doing it.


You've forgot - hi-sec isn't that safe as null and you can't operate normally with low security status + kill rights. And there were multiple podding attempts which didn't bring any results except for mentioned in previous sentence.
Graham Nolen
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#202 - 2013-01-17 22:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Graham Nolen
The site holders have been podded multiple times but the issue is that it takes 5 min for a site to despawn and all of a min thirty for said site holder to get back in a new ibis

not again.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-01-18 01:26:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Tarpedo wrote:
Good job, CCP.

Andski wrote:
This is pretty pathetic handholding on the GM team's part. At least in nullsec you have to kill the day-old alt doing it.


You've forgot - hi-sec isn't that safe as null and you can't operate normally with low security status + kill rights. And there were multiple podding attempts which didn't bring any results except for mentioned in previous sentence.


Man, if only the same people complaining about undesired consequences of the new killrights system weren't the same ones demanding the new kill rights system

And if hisec isn't as safe as nullsec, why can't you just kill the guy camping the site, the same way we do in 0.0? Oh, because of the mechanics that make hisec safe.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2013-01-18 06:49:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
And if hisec isn't as safe as nullsec, why can't you just kill the guy camping the site, the same way we do in 0.0? Oh, because of the mechanics that make hisec safe.

Hence the reaction of CCP. It's their mechanics, after all Smile

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#205 - 2013-01-18 14:44:12 UTC
Andski wrote:
This is pretty pathetic handholding on the GM team's part. At least in nullsec you have to kill the day-old alt doing it.



What is pathetic is the fact you are able to post in a thread you obviously have not read at all.

AND, by shiptoasting here are you confirming Goony involvement in yet another attempt to GRIEF high sec players?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#206 - 2013-01-18 23:29:32 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Andski wrote:
This is pretty pathetic handholding on the GM team's part. At least in nullsec you have to kill the day-old alt doing it.



What is pathetic is the fact you are able to post in a thread you obviously have not read at all.

AND, by shiptoasting here are you confirming Goony involvement in yet another attempt to GRIEF high sec players?


We're not involved, I'm just seeing a pretty disturbing trend of CCP holding your hands because you can't be bothered (and probably don't know how) to do anything beyond zombie PvE

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Rengerel en Distel
#207 - 2013-01-19 00:11:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Andski wrote:
This is pretty pathetic handholding on the GM team's part. At least in nullsec you have to kill the day-old alt doing it.



What is pathetic is the fact you are able to post in a thread you obviously have not read at all.

AND, by shiptoasting here are you confirming Goony involvement in yet another attempt to GRIEF high sec players?


We're not involved, I'm just seeing a pretty disturbing trend of CCP holding your hands because you can't be bothered (and probably don't know how) to do anything beyond zombie PvE


I thought it was more of a disturbing trend of CCP making a bandaid fix that you need to look up on a website, instead of putting in the :effort: to fix their site despawn mechanics. If all sites despawned (in terms of the code removing it from the list, not removing the items in the pocket) then it's not an issue anywhere in the game.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#208 - 2013-01-19 01:17:20 UTC
Anytime a high-sec PVPer discovers a way to mildly inconvenience the ISK-grinding horde, like clockwork:

First, shrill squeels of pain from carebears, via forums and petition.
Second, rapid overcompensating CCP nerfs and exploit notices, ban threats.
Highsec security is permanently ratched up another notch.

Rinse and repeat.

Whats sad?

PVPers generally aren't 'getting rich' doing this stuff - often taking a loss in terms of time and ISK. The carebears aren't even put into the red.....but even a 'marginal slowing down of the money train' is just too much pain for them to handle, leading to ridiculousness as crying about bumping mechanics. Bumping, for chrissake.
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#209 - 2013-01-19 01:40:55 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Anytime a high-sec PVPer discovers a way to mildly inconvenience the ISK-grinding horde, like clockwork:

First, shrill squeels of pain from carebears, via forums and petition.
Second, rapid overcompensating CCP nerfs and exploit notices, ban threats.
Highsec security is permanently ratched up another notch.

Rinse and repeat.

Whats sad?

PVPers generally aren't 'getting rich' doing this stuff - often taking a loss in terms of time and ISK. The carebears aren't even put into the red.....but even a 'marginal slowing down of the money train' is just too much pain for them to handle, leading to ridiculousness as crying about bumping mechanics. Bumping, for chrissake.


How much loss did those untrained 1 day old players take?
I didnt know being 1 day old was worth that much.
Please Herr Wilkus tell us how you made billions at one day old by playing your way.
ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#210 - 2013-01-19 05:10:51 UTC
what pvp this is player vs mechanic completely one sided. You have no idea how much pvp is financed by the isk grind. bounties and pay outs are are granted by the grind
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#211 - 2013-01-19 06:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aramatheia
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Anytime a high-sec PVPer discovers a way to mildly inconvenience the ISK-grinding horde, like clockwork:

First, shrill squeels of pain from carebears, via forums and petition.
Second, rapid overcompensating CCP nerfs and exploit notices, ban threats.
Highsec security is permanently ratched up another notch.

Rinse and repeat.

Whats sad?

PVPers generally aren't 'getting rich' doing this stuff - often taking a loss in terms of time and ISK. The carebears aren't even put into the red.....but even a 'marginal slowing down of the money train' is just too much pain for them to handle, leading to ridiculousness as crying about bumping mechanics. Bumping, for chrissake.


unskilled 1-2 day alts = worthless
rookie ships supplied free by ccp = well free duh
Im waiting to see how much "time" and "isk" you had to sink into brand new 1-2 day alts flying freely given ships supplied by CCP. Please show me your wallet detailing losses of isk if you want credability. Nahh you dont want that you just want to run around saying your favorite lame ass catch phases like "carebear" and "crying"

Whats all this about zombies? seems to be a similar mob that are saying the exact same thing. The only thing that hasnt been said is "brainsssss". But they too seem to be absent if one is trying to say they spend isk on free ships and time on skill-less 1 day noobs.

Not saying CCP ultimately took the best path, but they took a viable path. Maybe they will find a way to code automatic despawns in future and can delete this little clause from the rules later?
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#212 - 2013-01-19 10:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
Herr Wilkus wrote:
PVPers generally aren't 'getting rich' doing this stuff - often taking a loss in terms of time and ISK. The carebears aren't even put into the red.....but even a 'marginal slowing down of the money train' is just too much pain for them to handle, leading to ridiculousness as crying about bumping mechanics.


Somehow PvP players like to state they PvP for fun while PvE-centric players play for ISK. Not entirely true:

1) EVE PvP isn't even remotely fun compared to other games and

2) PvE in EVE is much more fun than in any other MMO game + HQ incursion fleets are *most* fun group PvE activity I've seen during my 16 years long MMO "career".

Nerf PvE - people may migrate to other games. Just like one of my accounts expired during this site blocking campaign.

And believe me - you (and CCP) don't want EVE PvP to be actually fun and competitive (to other games) because in this case real "PvP sharks" who peacefully mine Sansha and asteroids, trade, do missions between 3-15 hours long PvP sessions in Planetside, WoW, WoT, Tera, Rift, Vanguard, LoL - they'll switch their focus onto null sovereignty structures, gate campers, ratters, pirates, faction warfare members - just to get those vanity PvP titles and rewards you may find ridiculous ("kill 10 supercaps, 20 POSes, 100 battleships - get bright blue metallic t-shirt"). Also you won't believe how many carebears are there who are ready to burn their (and your) billions to get those funny PvP achievements and unique t-shirts.
Brrzaa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#213 - 2013-01-19 10:32:26 UTC
Ah yes, the money and effort needed to get a noob alt(s) into HQ system and warp him to a gate of a site and leave him there. Well I guess if you are doing it on nubalts of your mains you are losing isk, isk you'd otherwise gain by AFK cloaking or ganking freighters in Niarja or camping those lowsec entry gates in sensor boosted T3s.

Dear "pro PVPers" as long as you consider everyone but yourselves brainless pray, don't be surprised if they kinda don't want to participate and willingly be griefed or ganked for your satisfaction. Already PVE content in EVE is done only by fools or masochists. "What a great game, pay $15/month and invest countless hours of effort to be someone's pray and victim, I'll recommend it to all my friends".

Do yourself a favor and google "predator pray balance".
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#214 - 2013-01-19 11:56:20 UTC
I've never done this, but I applaud the people who do.
Costs?

Well, PLEXing an account costs 500-600M ISK per month.
So, we are looking at about 15-20M per day, per account for the noob char.

Also, if you use a noobship char in this way you can't use that account for anything else.
And you can't go AFK, because a noobship could be suicide ganked, closing the mission.

So it costs in both ISK, time and opportunity to do something else.

And, as we all know from the barge threads - suicide ganking costs 'nothing' when gankers are doing it.
Oh wait.......now suicide ganking is now 'too costly' a solution to this problem, when carebears are told to do it.
Gee, It gets confusing, having different rules for different classes of players......

Also, it sounded like the 'extortionist' gave the OP an out. He wasn't griefing at all, as he offered to leave for a reasonable ISK payment.

Rather than pay, however, the OP chose to cry. CCP runs, as always, with a babybottle full of milk and an exploit notice.
Brrzaa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#215 - 2013-01-19 13:27:28 UTC
Just for the lolz I'll bite.

1. Every single player has exact same isk or $ cost for mainting his accounts.
2. Most of the site blockers were on trial accounts. Which are, you can guess, free!

3. Suicide ganking a shuttle or intie full of BPCs, plex or implants can pay for a dozen (whom am I kidding, hundreds) thrashers. Suicide ganking freighters pays well enough to be done in Ti3s all day long even after CONCORD insurance denial change.
Suicide ganking a noobship gives you nothing. And more important, site blocker has time to reship and return to the site before site despawn timer expires.

So much effort. Have a dozen trial accounts minimzed and be alt tabbed doing something else, when you hear damage alarms from one of the you alt tab to it, wake up in station, undock another noobship and warp to bookmarked site. So much effort, so much isk spent. Surely comparable to gathering and keeping alive a fleet of 40 pirate BSes.
Rhea Kuha
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2013-01-19 14:59:42 UTC
Brrzaa wrote:
Just for the lolz I'll bite.

1. Every single player has exact same isk or $ cost for mainting his accounts.
2. Most of the site blockers were on trial accounts. Which are, you can guess, free!

3. Suicide ganking a shuttle or intie full of BPCs, plex or implants can pay for a dozen (whom am I kidding, hundreds) thrashers. Suicide ganking freighters pays well enough to be done in Ti3s all day long even after CONCORD insurance denial change.
Suicide ganking a noobship gives you nothing. And more important, site blocker has time to reship and return to the site before site despawn timer expires.

So much effort. Have a dozen trial accounts minimzed and be alt tabbed doing something else, when you hear damage alarms from one of the you alt tab to it, wake up in station, undock another noobship and warp to bookmarked site. So much effort, so much isk spent. Surely comparable to gathering and keeping alive a fleet of 40 pirate BSes.




Just so you know I was one of the ones holding sites open and i can say not a single trial account was used to do this. You all only assumed i was using them. Every account was a active paid for account.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#217 - 2013-01-19 18:28:42 UTC
Rhea Kuha wrote:
Brrzaa wrote:
Just for the lolz I'll bite.

1. Every single player has exact same isk or $ cost for mainting his accounts.
2. Most of the site blockers were on trial accounts. Which are, you can guess, free!

3. Suicide ganking a shuttle or intie full of BPCs, plex or implants can pay for a dozen (whom am I kidding, hundreds) thrashers. Suicide ganking freighters pays well enough to be done in Ti3s all day long even after CONCORD insurance denial change.
Suicide ganking a noobship gives you nothing. And more important, site blocker has time to reship and return to the site before site despawn timer expires.

So much effort. Have a dozen trial accounts minimzed and be alt tabbed doing something else, when you hear damage alarms from one of the you alt tab to it, wake up in station, undock another noobship and warp to bookmarked site. So much effort, so much isk spent. Surely comparable to gathering and keeping alive a fleet of 40 pirate BSes.




Just so you know I was one of the ones holding sites open and i can say not a single trial account was used to do this. You all only assumed i was using them. Every account was a active paid for account.


Aside from the fact that you can't run multiple trial accounts concurrently, as you can paid accounts.
In other words, CCP does not allow players to "Alt-tabbing a dozen trial accounts" and the poster is talking out of their ass.
The player could wait for the damage alarm, and return to the site, but that requires the player be alert and at the keyboard.

Also, ganking the noobship costs almost nothing (gee, T1 Thrashers are expensive) and can earn you ISK - by allowing you to grind more Incursion ISK. Perhaps the player could reship and return to the site. Of course, sometimes the BPC's don't drop. Ganking has its risks, correct?

And of course, you could always pay off the extortionist.....

I don't know what is more stupid, the OP - or CCP's lazy halfassed 'fix' - "hey guys, loitering in an incursion is now an exploit!"

So hanging out in an incursion is now a punishable offense. What a joke. Curious as to when CCP is going to hire mindreaders to determine the intent of the 'exploiter'.
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#218 - 2013-01-19 19:37:04 UTC
Rhea Kuha wrote:




Just so you know I was one of the ones holding sites open and i can say not a single trial account was used to do this. You all only assumed i was using them. Every account was a active paid for account.


Rhea Kuha
Security Status 0.0

Hedion University [HU]
Member for 18 days

Really had a lot to lose didn't you. Roll
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#219 - 2013-01-19 20:31:13 UTC
So for 3 to 4 weeks this thread has been up and getting a pretty constant amount of chatter, the discussion has never waived from the Site Squating tactics and how it can be overcome.
So Rhea Kuha
In three weeks did you ever petition CCP to allow you to sit in sites and hold the community hostage?
or did you know it was an exploit all along and just hopping it would get ignored long enough for you to enjoy your short lived rule?
As your toon is almost exactly as old as the Issue I already know the answer.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#220 - 2013-01-19 20:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Inkarr Hashur
Are people still whining that CCP won't let them break game mechanics?

....Yup. Awesome.

"Okay so I'm going to engage in an activity that requires nothing more than warm bodies with minimal skillpoints. Oh, I know, I should PLEX MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS! Now its a legit 'investment'! "

You were doing it wrong.