Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Tears from Null/Low sec pvp'ers? Say it isn't so.

Posting to confirm there isn't a problem. Adjust and continue to profit.

Yep, this seems to have been a stealth PVP nerf. NPCs will instantly change targets to attack anyone who uses a tackle mod on a player even if it is a cruiser attacking say a vindicator. The argument can not be used that the cruiser (or any other ship) is a more dangerous target, it simply doesnt work that way. The rats will ALWAYS target and attack the new aggressor instead of continuing to attack the person who has been shooting them for who knows how long.

Is it so hard to wait for the players to be done with the sites and then kill them?

or wait maybe you could you know... take advantage that by the time you warp in his tank must be half broken and just finish the npc job and warp away?

most of time you find a player on a site his shields or armor will be by half and his capacitor at 40% they are crippled and weakened ships that most likely have half loaded banks and are not even paying attention.

asking or easier targets its going way too far.

also a properly fitted PVP ship will easily tank the npcs for a while along with the ****** up mission runner

or is it that maybe you are trying to kill a drake with a ******* frigate and want the npcs to help you with their DPS?

This!! Adapt and you can continue to prosper.

Havving read all your misguided thoughts on this subject, I am saddened but not surprised to see you promulgate this list of idiocy as a fix to the AI.

Yes, it sucks that your drones get eaten if you are in a lone sentry domi. But making drones tougher and harder to hit isn't a solution except versus rats, which it seems, is all you know how to do (and yes, this is me disparaging your ability as an EVE player). It is already hard enough to burn drones off you in PVP, so making them harder targets is dumb. You will realise this when you are damped out by a Maulus and killed by his drones, unable to do anything. Well, if you ever stop carebearing.

The idea of shots directed at a frigate missing it and hitting the BS it's orbiting? Yeah, sounds like a great recipe for derp. "Oh halp guise I is tackuld by dwamiel, shewt at heem!" you will say, as you herpaderp in a belt. Your mates in tornados warp in to help you, and shoot at the evil Dramiel, and hit you instead, instapopping you. herpaderp.

Your idea of target redirection is interesting. So, you fit one, and the rat aggro switches away. Your foes fit one, and you are back to square one. Falcon fits one, and when you do manage to lock him, you end up locking an asteroid instead. EVE HAS BEEN WON BY YOU!!!

Your solutions to the problem outlined by the OP decribes are irrelevant, idiotic and impractical.

I agree with the OP, by the by. previously when you went hunting in nullsec for carriers, with a gang, you would send in a ship to grab point, and then spike into Local to effect the gank. Arazus were great, so were cloaky T3's. You only needed to hold point long enough for your gang to warp in.

Now? You can't dare uncloak anything, or send in a solo ship - even if it has a tank - because you will cop the full room aggro, regardless, right up front. The fools saying "fit a tank", well, last time i checked you can't PVP in a PVE ship, and vice versa. Something you are all wilfully ignoring.

So, yes. This is a buff to carebearing. it isn't even about solo PVP, it's about PVE being its own deterrence to gankers, in nullsec.

Warping in a belt, setting a point on an AFK drake and let the rats do all the job is not "solo PVP", not even close.
It's an entry-level gameplay, riskless and unskilled. Just the fact that when this people have to deal with belt rats (not even missionr ats, just belt rats, lol) it becomes "impossible" for them proves this.

File this one with "there's someone in my system and they're hiding so I can't rat!"

I'm not in a sentry Domi, I hate sentries. I've seen people kill mulitple waves of drones with smartbombs easily enough. I don't deny that they can be used, but they are hardly the most dangerous weapon out there. In fact, in your theoretical Malus the thing causing you the most trouble is the damps. I know plenty about using drones, both fighting them and using them.

You should also bear in mind that I don't feel the AI shooting solo gankers is a problem. The AI is a problem, but most of that problem is that it has been introduced in a vacuume with few tools and little regard of how to deal with it.




That would be one implication of that idea, that a tackler could use his target as cover. What I have in mind is more granular than that--- basing it on signiture size and the resolution of the guns would mean that smaller guns would be less effected, promoting the idea that you match up ship classes against eachother. The further you get out of class, the harder it is to pick out the smaller signiture for the larger one. Your theoretical Tornadoes would be the wrong tool for the job unless substancial effort in the fits went into sensor boosters and such to improve their ability to focus on smaller targets.

This is again less of an idea to fix the AI as it applies to PvP as it is a way of dealing with it's implications when applied to small fleets in PvE, which was hurt just as much for the same reasons. I like to hang out and mission with my friends. We used to be able to fly differently and have had to adapt in a number of ways as well. This idea would allow more agressive fit ships with lighter tanks to be included in my fleets again since we could anchor the fleet on a battlecruiser or battleship as we used to do. I don't mind that the AI switches targets, or tries to chase our frigs down with their frigs, I just want a tool to deal with it other than everybody comes in a ship capable of tanking the whole room at once. I would think this is something you approve of as it would indeed help you to kill big ships with small ships in missions again.



This would again be an idea that would have counters, probably in the form ECCM modules, sensor boosters, or both. If they are going to start introducing AI aggro mechanics then they need to also supply the tools of dealing with that. Other games use abilites that generate and shed aggro, in EVE this would be best represented as forms of Ewar. Rather than deflecting targets at random heavier defended ships in the fleet could use Ewar that redirected locks onto themselves. An aggressive version could deflect locks onto a chosen enemy ship. I don't deny that this would play havoc as people would have to watch what they shoot at, fit themselves to deal with it, and in general do more than lock and fire.

Once again, this is more focused on PvE, as a way of dealing with the new AI. It would be useful for PvP as well, but just as you care nothing for carebears, I really care little for gankers as well. I'm willing to come to the table and discuss ideas to improve everybodies game, but I am not willing to pay to be your chew toy.



Nope, not ignoring it. You are Wrong. There are 2 primary differences in the 2 playstyles:

1. Tanking. Active Tanks cannot handle the level of DPS a good PvP ship puts out. They are in general built to withstand about half that DPS indefinitely, but the actual hit points are comparatively thin, so once you break that they usually go down pretty quick. They also usually have a sizable hole in their resists since to achieve that high level of resistance to the rat they don't have the option of fitting omni. The thicker buffer tanks of PvP ships completely outclass an active tank in the short term fights that usually happen in PvP.

2. The use of Ewar and Cap Warfare. Ewar, and all the ships bonused for it, are pretty much useless in PvE where you face hordes of enemies that are immune to it's effects and you could only affect a few of them anyway. As a result much of Ewar is ignored by carebears unless they are fighting a group that makes extensive use of it, and even then the nature of NPC rats makes such measures useless and they usually just endure it and/or make use of tatics that mitigate the effect. Against single targets in PvP it's very powerful.

You could PvP in a PvE ship, but the fights would no longer be one sided.

It is a bit much to expect a PvP ship to handle a pve site.

In most situations a combat pilot must jump deep into hostile space to a densely populated cluster and then find, tackle, and destroy a heavily tanked ship while taking fire from the entire complex plus the PvE ship. So you need a ship with a heavy tank, an ability to avoid other combat fleets, and enough DPS to kill a ship that has the ability to tank an entire complex.

The risk of PvE has always been other pilots killing you. Now, with the exception of bridge fleets, there is no really successful way to engage a PvE ship without a tonne of luck. And before all these changes, back when ratting was done in a belt, an alert PvE pilot was almost completely uncatchable.

I think a lot of people have adapted. Cloak cyno ships logged on 23/7 is the adaptation.