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CCP: "Griefing" policy question
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Admiral Sarah Solette
Lmao Ty For Structure
#101 - 2011-10-08 19:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Admiral Sarah Solette
The real problem here isn't that they're blowing up mining ships. Eve is a PvP game, and so this should happen. However, there is nothing the empire players can do back to the Goons. When only one side can blow up the other side's ships, there's a problem.

If miners fight back, they lose sec status. Goons don't care about Sec status, so they don't care if they get popped by concord. The game is in the goons favor, it's a flawed mechanic. Sec status, which was intended to be a deterrent for high sec killing is now a barrier working in favor of the goons.

I'm not biased in this debate since I don't mine at all, nor have I ever been popped by another player, I'm simply pointing out a flawed and stupid game mechanic. If I could fight and defend those miners from these baboons, I would, but since I need to worry about my sec status I cannot. Something needs to change.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2011-10-08 19:59:36 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
The real problem here isn't that they're blowing up mining ships. Eve is a PvP game, and so this should happen. However, there is nothing the empire players can do back to the Goons. When only one side can blow up the other side's ships, there's a problem.

If miners fight back, they lose sec status. Goons don't care about Sec status, so they don't care if they get popped by concord. The game is in the goons favor, it's a flawed mechanic. Sec status, which was intended to be a deterrent for high sec killing is now a barrier working in favor of the goons.

I'm not biased in this debate since I don't mine at all, nor have I ever been popped by another player, I'm simply pointing out a flawed and stupid game mechanic. If I could fight and defend those miners from these baboons, I would, but since I need to worry about my sec status I cannot. Something needs to change.


Let me correct you on one point. As soon as someone attacks another player in violation of CONCORD policy, they turn blinky red to everyone until CONCORD blows them up. Being blinky red means you can be attacked WITHOUT SEC STATUS PENALTY by ANYONE. So no, defending miners, and them fighting back, does not cost sec status.

Preemptively attacking a player with a higher than -5 status will, though.

Now that you've been proven wrong, care to amend your call for change there?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2011-10-08 20:03:34 UTC
they could come to 0.0, where they don't lose sec status

oh, they don't want to?

i see, the problem is they're unwilling to, not they cant

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Admiral Sarah Solette
Lmao Ty For Structure
#104 - 2011-10-08 20:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Admiral Sarah Solette
Nope, I shouldn't have to wait for them to fire on a miner to defend them. The game is still playing in the goons favor.

And I suppose they could o to low sec... but then again not everyone is a war mongering buffoon looking to get into a fight.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2011-10-08 20:04:04 UTC
they could wardec us?

oh, they don't want to do that cause they'll get pulverized?

see above

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Admiral Sarah Solette
Lmao Ty For Structure
#106 - 2011-10-08 20:05:59 UTC
War deccing costs money, and I shouldn't have to pull my entire corp into something they don't want to do.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#107 - 2011-10-08 20:13:07 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Nope, I shouldn't have to wait for them to fire on a miner to defend them. The game is still playing in the goons favor.

And I suppose they could o to low sec... but then again not everyone is a war mongering buffoon looking to get into a fight.


Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Admiral Sarah Solette
Lmao Ty For Structure
#108 - 2011-10-08 20:14:37 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2011-10-08 20:15:06 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
War deccing costs money, and I shouldn't have to pull my entire corp into something they don't want to do.

so basically its too hard so you want to quit

that's fine don't see the problem

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#110 - 2011-10-08 20:15:34 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X


please peasant weaselior is -10 and still ganking your ass

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2011-10-08 20:16:36 UTC
you know what else costs money? suicide ganking

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#112 - 2011-10-08 20:17:16 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X


Your ignorance pains me.

I am petitioning you for griefing.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2011-10-08 20:17:23 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Nope, I shouldn't have to wait for them to fire on a miner to defend them. The game is still playing in the goons favor.

And I suppose they could o to low sec... but then again not everyone is a war mongering buffoon looking to get into a fight.


So you're saying... you should be able to gank anyone, without losing sec status, in hisec, at any time, just because you don't like them?

I agree!! P
Admiral Sarah Solette
Lmao Ty For Structure
#114 - 2011-10-08 20:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Admiral Sarah Solette
There's this thing called an edit button, or are you too stupid to use it? Oh.... right... Goon.

And no I don't want to quit, this stupid grief war the goons are doing has no effect whatsoever on me. I just want to defend those who can't defend themselves.

And lol, fitting T1 ships costs money? XD Pocket change.

Arguing with you dumb asses is pointless, it sucks that not even simple concepts can be grasped by you. So go ahead and act like pussies fighting against those who can't fight back. I'll be sure to look into you Weas.
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#115 - 2011-10-08 20:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Stig
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
The real problem here isn't that they're blowing up mining ships. Eve is a PvP game, and so this should happen. However, there is nothing the empire players can do back to the Goons. When only one side can blow up the other side's ships, there's a problem.

If miners fight back, they lose sec status. Goons don't care about Sec status, so they don't care if they get popped by concord. The game is in the goons favor, it's a flawed mechanic. Sec status, which was intended to be a deterrent for high sec killing is now a barrier working in favor of the goons.

I'm not biased in this debate since I don't mine at all, nor have I ever been popped by another player, I'm simply pointing out a flawed and stupid game mechanic. If I could fight and defend those miners from these baboons, I would, but since I need to worry about my sec status I cannot. Something needs to change.


Yeah, remove CONCORD. All they do is protect the criminals anyways

lol why dont the goons war dec them?
Thatd be a funny thought for all the high sec carebears crapping their pants at the sight of THAT mail

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2011-10-08 20:21:03 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X


That isn't even needed. So far we have met laughably little resistance, which only goes to show how soft Empire dwellers are.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#117 - 2011-10-08 20:24:49 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X


'Tis true that CCP, in my experience, is somewhat lacking in enforcement of it's alt recycling rule.

I have gotten players bragging to me on my girlie characters (astounding how dumb little boys are) about their abuse of this rule. Including letting me watch and giving me the names of their mains.

I forward the chat logs to CCP and nada.

Mr Epeen Cool
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2011-10-08 20:25:39 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
There's this thing called an edit button, or are you too stupid to use it? Oh.... right... Goon.

And no I don't want to quit, this stupid grief war the goons are doing has no effect whatsoever on me. I just want to defend those who can't defend themselves.

And lol, fitting T1 ships costs money? XD Pocket change.

Arguing with you dumb asses is pointless, it sucks that not even simple concepts can be grasped by you. So go ahead and act like pussies fighting against those who can't fight back. I'll be sure to look into you Weas.

why do worthless pubbies think we care about their opinions

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#119 - 2011-10-08 20:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Stig
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X


If you have proof of this petotion it that actually is an exploit, or it was during Hulkageddon, I remember seeing blues saying as much

Mr Epeen wrote:
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

Once the gankers drop below -5.0 they can be attacked with impunity by anyone at any time.


I wish, then they biomass/move them to low sec and start another alt. =X


'Tis true that CCP, in my experience, is somewhat lacking in enforcement of it's alt recycling rule.

I have gotten players bragging to me on my girlie characters (astounding how dumb little boys are) about their abuse of this rule. Including letting me watch and giving me the names of their mains.

I forward the chat logs to CCP and nada.

Mr Epeen Cool


Then again, CCP is "somewhat lacking" in enforcing any rules on Goons.
Well then again, they were the same way with BoB when they were in CCP's favor too

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2011-10-08 20:26:36 UTC
Admiral Sarah Solette wrote:
Arguing with you dumb asses is pointless, it sucks that not even simple concepts can be grasped by me. So I'll go ahead quit posting like a pussy who can't be bothered to work, just wants the game changed when I don't like it. I'll be sure to look into you Weas.


Translated that.