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CCP: "Griefing" policy question

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2011-10-10 02:40:05 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The Apostle's hood is griefing me.

And your nose keep me awake at night.

Personal attacks are not cool.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

The Apostle
Doomheim
#202 - 2011-10-10 02:51:24 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The Apostle's hood is griefing me.

And your nose keep me awake at night.

Personal attacks are not cool.

You need to reconsider your future in GSF Harlot/Scarlet - spending all day here instead of griefing hiseccers is not in line with G**n policy. Your boyfriend will be bitterly dissappointed with your performance.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#203 - 2011-10-10 03:01:11 UTC
Brain-damaged emotional children whoring for attention is interfering with my game-play:

My writing this response is interfering with my ability/willingness to log in--petition submitted!

Oh, and Mittens:

Stop flattering yourself, please.

Actually, on second thought...no, don't:

This hathos and the resultant Schadenfreude it elicits in me are absolutely sublime...

Ni.

The Apostle
Doomheim
#204 - 2011-10-10 03:05:35 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Brain-damaged emotional children whoring for attention is interfering with my game-play:

My writing this response is interfering with my ability/willingness to log in--petition submitted!

Oh, and Mittens:

Stop flattering yourself, please.

Actually, on second thought...no, don't:

This hathos and the resultant Schadenfreude it elicits in me are absolutely sublime...

Had to look it up...

scha·den·freu·de >> satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.

Nice word. Added to dictionary Blink

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2011-10-10 03:10:46 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
You need to reconsider your future in GSF Harlot/Scarlet - spending all day here instead of griefing hiseccers is not in line with G**n policy. Your boyfriend will be bitterly dissappointed with your performance.

What makes you think never stopping posting on a forum is ungoony? I've done my share of highsec warefare but targets are getting rare so I'm happy to take the war to the forums and let the hungrier dread pirates mop up the ice belts.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#206 - 2011-10-10 03:13:50 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Brain-damaged emotional children whoring for attention is interfering with my game-play:

My writing this response is interfering with my ability/willingness to log in--petition submitted!

Oh, and Mittens:

Stop flattering yourself, please.

Actually, on second thought...no, don't:

This hathos and the resultant Schadenfreude it elicits in me are absolutely sublime...

Had to look it up...

scha·den·freu·de >> satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.

Nice word. Added to dictionary Blink


If I may say so myself, don't forget hathos:

A portmanteau of hatred and pathos, coined by the brilliant Andrew Sullivan (one of the only Conservative thinker/writers for whom I have any real respect).

Ni.

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#207 - 2011-10-10 03:18:08 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
there were people in sensor-boosted machs shooting my thrashers while I was popping pods

mods? ban those asshats



Sebo'ed arty-Pest will do the same thing for 1/30th the cost...But hey, I like the shinies too, so it's all good Blink

Ni.

Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#208 - 2011-10-10 03:19:51 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
there were people in sensor-boosted machs shooting my thrashers while I was popping pods

mods? ban those asshats



Sebo'ed arty-Pest will do the same thing for 1/30th the cost...But hey, I like the shinies too, so it's all good Blink


Cheap ass

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2011-10-10 04:11:56 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Imo, there really shouldnt BE a griefing policy in this game as its nearly impossible to enforce


Imo, there really shouldnt BE a griefing policy in this game as its nearly impossible to prove.



Fixed it for you.
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#210 - 2011-10-10 12:34:39 UTC
After a hard days killing miners I like to print off the killboard page of all of them, lay them out on the floor while drinking a good brandy. At the height of my euphoria I strip off and roll around on the still warm printed A4 and giggle with evil glee.

When I awake hours later I am covered in ink.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#211 - 2011-10-10 13:44:21 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
So CCP, please explain...

Under griefing rules/policy

Quote:
At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.


Current "fun" being enjoyed by a limited number of 0.0 alliances on empire players is consistently and maliciously interfering with the game experience for others.

Source: http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

Is the "at our discretion" statement the mitigating factor?


Interfering with the game experience would be something like following you around personally and ganking anything and everything you undock in, just to make sure you never got to enjoy flying in space. Or perhaps going beyond the game and engineering some method or preventing you from even logging into the game.

Ganking a certain class of ships, or pilots in general performing certain activities is PROVIDING a game experience, not interfering.

HTFU

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#212 - 2011-10-10 14:35:04 UTC
I for one am loving this Goon Initiative. This interdiction is the best thing I've seen happening for a long time.

Our alliance has had it's share of 'griefers' and 'for the lulz' people attacking us, as well as mercs dumped on our doorstep to interfere with our manufacturing which was providing support to our PvP fleets and allies in manufacturing tons of ships and modules for use in wars.

So far, that was generally boring, or annoying. This ice interdiction does hinder me somewhat, as I use a gallente POS and an Anshar, however, it does make mining for ice supplies so much more interesting.
And the additional profit provided by selling new shiny ice mining gear, and gank ships to blow them up is making me a tidy sum.
And when all my orders, slots etc. are running, and I have nothing better to do, I can go mine some ice which nets a good profit now when sold on the market, and it's more fun as I actually have to watch out for people blowing up my ships.

The fact remains, this is not a griefing attack, it's an economical campaign, with a lot of fun added into the mix. Wether effective or not, it's effect is noticable on the markets, and the effect will be felt across the universe. I don't have figures on howmany Gallente Ice powered ships there are around, nor at howmuch fuel these babies suck up per day. But you can bet your ass that the demand for fuel is at the moment higher than supply, so stockpiles will shrink, thus creating price changes.

I also have no idea howmuch this campaign is costing them, but I hope they got the isk to keep it going, and deplete those stockpiles, then we'll see just how expensive Ice can get.
( and I also want to keep selling more gank ships and ice mining gear.. )

PS: Sherpa, if you're reading this, your canes will be ready in a few days when I finish making these damn guns.. this campaign has me shifting my industrial ass into overdrive to the point where I'm thinking of skilling up a 2nd toon with industrial skills and research skills so I can meet higher demands.

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?

Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#213 - 2011-10-10 15:09:54 UTC
Xearal wrote:
I for one am loving this Goon Initiative. This interdiction is the best thing I've seen happening for a long time.


Thanks! We don't believe we're the only ones that should have fun, glad you are too.

Xearal wrote:
And when all my orders, slots etc. are running, and I have nothing better to do, I can go mine some ice which nets a good profit now when sold on the market, and it's more fun as I actually have to watch out for people blowing up my ships.


If I may be so bold, here's another option for when your slots are full (heh), join us! And make some ISK doing it! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19206&find=unread

Xearal wrote:
I also have no idea howmuch this campaign is costing them, but I hope they got the isk to keep it going, and deplete those stockpiles, then we'll see just how expensive Ice can get.
( and I also want to keep selling more gank ships and ice mining gear.. )


Don't think I'm releasing anything untoward here.. but it's cost us ~15b so far. Barely a couple of Tech moons worth of income, we could do this indefinitely.

Xearal wrote:
PS: Sherpa, if you're reading this, your canes will be ready in a few days when I finish making these damn guns.. this campaign has me shifting my industrial ass into overdrive to the point where I'm thinking of skilling up a 2nd toon with industrial skills and research skills so I can meet higher demands.


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Calgrissom Torvec
#214 - 2011-10-10 15:56:30 UTC
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#215 - 2011-10-10 16:01:50 UTC
EVE Stig wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I can think of no reason whatsoever that hi-sec players as a whole should be totally immune to campaigns of organised violence.


In fact it would be amazing if all of 0.0 rose up and decided to kill the carebears in highsec.
Arent there more in 0.0 than Empire? Theres more 0.0 space right?


Considering that half the highsec carebear population are 0.0 alts, wouldn't that become confusing?

"Fighting CCD since 2139"

Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#216 - 2011-10-10 17:08:31 UTC
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.

No. Punishing new players who are prone to make mistakes is not the solution to this and you are just another selfish,evil ,noob bashing, griefer scum who thinks of nobody but himself!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#217 - 2011-10-10 17:16:58 UTC
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.
No, they should make it so that any ship that gets killed by CONCORD gets double insurance payout to further incentivise the destruction of ships in highsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#218 - 2011-10-10 17:31:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.
No, they should make it so that any ship that gets killed by CONCORD gets double insurance payout to further incentivise the destruction of ships in highsec.


I like you're new bloodthursty view of things.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#219 - 2011-10-10 17:38:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I like you're new bloodthursty view of things.
New?

That rather tells me that this topic doesn't come up as often as people seem to think, so I haven't had the opportunity to express it as often as needed, because I've had that view for years now… Twisted

I've been in this game for four years. I've been the target for ganks a total of four times (and one didn't really count as “mine” because it was a smartbomb attack against the Perimeter gate), all of which were trivially easy to avoid and all of which failed. This is far too few and an utterly appalling score card.

I still remember back when it felt slightly scary to go to Jita 4-4 — I want that feeling back. Cry
Avon
#220 - 2011-10-10 17:40:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Calgrissom Torvec wrote:
CCP should just make it so any ship killed by concord does not get its insurance payout.
No, they should make it so that any ship that gets killed by CONCORD gets double insurance payout to further incentivise the destruction of ships in highsec.


Nah, double the insurance payout for ships ganked by concord should go to their intended victim - then there will always be plenty of targets.