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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-31 23:58:53 UTC
Giddie wrote:
You guys really aren't convincing me of anything, yet to see an actual response to my question aside from:

"You can....do stuff!"

Joined a corp last night, spent almost 45 minutes warping to their HQ. Got there and looked at missions, level 1's are 19 jumps away....YAY MORE WARPING.

And then when I get there and get the missions, they'll tell me to....yep....you guessed it....

warp somewhere....dock....warp back!

or

warp somewhere......gate from that somewhere.....click twice and watch your ship slowly fly around in a circle while shooting......warp back

YAY!!!

When I tried Eve about a year and a half ago, I joined a PVP corp and omg was it fun. We all got on teamspeak and went in and out of dock so we could "hide" while our little scout found someone. We even got to blow up a whole ship after 3 hours of sitting in a station waiting!

YAY!!!!

The appeal of this game makes no sense to me and, like in this thread, trying to figure it out just leads to mega fan boys going Apple Vs. Android like I've insulted their god for dare questioning how to actually enjoy this game without putting hundreds of hours of research into it.


Then don't play it, we won't miss you.

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Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-01-01 00:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Giddie
Merouk Baas wrote:
You haven't raided in WoW, have you? With the guild or pick-up. Cause you wait for hours there too. 50-100 people don't assemble in 5 minutes.

Whatever. You're comparing levelling up in other MMO's with large group action here. It doesn't take you 1 hr to jump into your mining frigate and mine some roids. Get a mission and do it. Trade on the market. Whatever.

You want to see a "cool war" and then participate in it... with what? Your rookie ship? Why would either side of the war bother to even acknowledge you? Our job here isn't to make the game fun for you, it's to make it fun for ourselves.

In any case, again, this is the game, play it or don't. I'll grant you that the other MMO's are on-rail theme parks and this is a sandbox (here's your sand, next!), but similar waiting times are present in all the games, and if that's what you have a problem with then we can't help you. Just don't play; there are plenty other spaceships games out there. See X3AP for example.


Actually I've raided in many MMOs (EQ, WoW, Rift, SWTOR, to name a few) and the waiting is never even REMOTELY close to what kind of waiting I've done in EVE.

As for the rest of your reply, clearly you didn't even read my post.

I have no issue with mining, I have no issue with the level system. The issue that I have is that, as far as I can tell, the only way to advance in this game is to do something else will it plays for you and click a few buttons every now and then.

You say go mine some roids. Cool, until you realize that all that means is Undock --> wait --> warp --> wait --> Click on rock --> target --> press one button --> wait ---> wait.... --> wait........ ---> wait some more...... --> clean the house well waiting --> wait a little longer! ---> oh cargos full! --> warp --> wait --> dock --> wait .....

See the pattern?

Explain to me an aspect of the game that doesn't have me staring at a fancy version for a loading screen for 80% of my play time.
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-01-01 00:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalanaja
Giddie wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
We don't want to convince you.

The waiting in this game doesn't seem any longer than the waiting in other MMO's (EQ, WoW, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2 that I can attest to), so we are OK with it. This is typical of MMO's, where you have to walk to the next quest hub or fly from city to city to sell your stuff, etc. Same waiting.

If the time wasted is what you have a problem with, then may I suggest don't play MMO's.

This game is actually better than all the other MMO's, because here you can put buy orders on the market for 100 million for all the little tiny pieces of equipment that you need, and you can have other people bring everything to your lap so you don't wait another second. It just costs you a lot more. This option isn't available in the other MMOs.

Anyway, if you don't like waiting, don't play MMOs.

This is the game. Play it or not.


Except it's nothing like other MMOS....

In other MMOs you explore an open world when you move from point A to point B. In this you explore....nothing.....you go from "tiny random point in space" to "tiny random point in space" vs "YAY WARP BUBBLE".

I can't be mid warp, see a battle going on and go "oh cool, lets stop and see if I can help!"



I'm sorry but I have to disagree with the open world thing on other MMOs. WOW you're pretty much relegated to an area until you hit a certain level. And while many of those areas are nice looking, they're tiny. You can run around a whole region in a matter of less then 10 minutes. And, while I have never raided in WOW because that game bores the crap outta me, even the videos of people playing it are boring. I do notice that many, many people do a lot of sitting around waiting for something on that game. I don't have to wait here if I don't choose to. And sure, fights are cool but it's mostly strategic. Unless you're in RvB then the fights are something you have to find. Your enemy will not sit in one place normally and wait for you to get there unless they want to set a trap.
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-01 00:37:10 UTC
all the tasks you mention are the ones that require the least amount of attention and ive found the only way to make them fully engaging is to do them on a massive scale or to multitask them.

if you want fully engaging you have to seek out the engaging activities and that's exactly what ive seen others try and say above

if you want to do more engaging pve , then do higher lvl content or incursions but honestly after a while many find the pve content to be too repetitive for much else then a source of income.

this game is about pvp and the industrial backbone that supports it and in my opinion if you really want to experience eve you have to pick style of gameplay that takes you down those paths and run with it.

as far as your pvp experience being boring thats because you just described station games and they are incredibly dull. if a target just wants to play station games then find a new one its that simple. if your in a corp that claims to be pvp oriented and just does station games or refuses to grab another target when all you get are station games from your opponent then maybe you should find another group.

eve has been rather boring for me lately but its entirely my own fault, just like your experience is due to your lack of making the best of the game. when ive sat down and devoted some time and effort into doing what i want to do it has payed off almost every time

you need to join a group and go in with the right attitude, if their play-style doesn't make you happy then let them know, if they dont care to / are unable to help you achieve some enjoyment in what they are doing then move on.

as said several times before eve is what you make it, its your job to figure out what you want and then make the best use of your resources / connections to achieve it
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#25 - 2013-01-01 00:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Giddie wrote:

I'm not looking for instant action, I'm looking for a way to play the game and enjoy it without the majority of it being "waiting".

It's like driving, I have two options:
- Take the shorter way home and sit in bumper to bump traffic
- Take the longer way home but always move

Both take the same amount of time, but I'll always choose the former because it's more engaging and, in this specific example, it seems faster and more "fun" even if it's not.

EVE seems like an MMO that rather then a grind it has fancy loading screens and rather then being involved and interactive you watch.

Every person that has replied has told me this is a sandbox with so much stuff to do! Not a single one of you have explained to me things that don't involved large amounts of waiting and are actively engaging.

There's a huge difference between "setting up for PVP by doing x y and z" and "Sitting in a station for 3 hours while we wait for a good target."


I don't understand why you are waiting so much?

Missioning: Log in, ask agent for a mission... hit accept, modify ship fit, go shoot red crosses....
Mining: Log in, warp to belt... mine....
PvP: Log in, undock, go find targets to shoot.

Anything that requires a fleet takes time to organize... but if it's already up it should take you very little time to join in...
When looking for PvP, it helps really helps to live in a target rich environment.... of course, there's the caveat that more enemies means they are trickier to engage....

In all seriousness... why are you waiting in a station to PvP? That's just silly.... and that's probably your biggest problem
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#26 - 2013-01-01 00:39:58 UTC
He didn't like it, tried it several times and now writes long paragraphs of texts on how he doesn't like it, and you all go against it. It's ok if he doesn't like it, there's no law that says he has to. Move on.
Silas Starblazer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-01-01 01:02:40 UTC
It's an MMORPG. RPG being a key term. I think OP just doesn't have a good imagination. Hence why he compared EVE to Just Cause 2 in one of his initial posts.
Mike Krieger
#28 - 2013-01-01 01:06:25 UTC
Giddie wrote:
You say go mine some roids. Cool, until you realize that all that means is Undock --> wait --> warp --> wait --> Click on rock --> target --> press one button --> wait ---> wait.... --> wait........ ---> wait some more...... --> clean the house well waiting --> wait a little longer! ---> oh cargos full! --> warp --> wait --> dock --> wait .....

See the pattern?

Explain to me an aspect of the game that doesn't have me staring at a fancy version for a loading screen for 80% of my play time.


I think you're already convinced that you don't like the game, since I've read several posts so far about activities that are quite engaging, but you seem to constantly go back to your "Warp, Warp, Mine" example. Mining is literally one of the most basic and least attention demanding activities you can do in game besides AFK hauling.

Travel time is a mechanic that's supposed to be limiting on purpose. It turns time into a commodity. A lot of people do a lot of boring things because other people would rather pay them to spend their time on the activity rather than do it themselves.

That said, I think you're approaching things the wrong way. I'll admit that in my first couple of weeks or so, I did a lot of waiting around, 'cause I wasn't sure what to do exactly. Difference is that I spent that time reading up on things that interested me and started building character plans to get me to that point.

I'm less than a month old at the moment and I can be as active or as 'afk' as I choose, which is one of the drawing points of the game. Somedays I just want to accomplish something while watching a show on Netflix, so I'll load my cargohold full of stuff and "Warp, Warp, Unload" for an hour or so while my attention is elsewhere. If I want to be semi interactive, but able to jump out quickly if something demands my attention, I'll go missioning and blast away. If I want to go shoot someone, I go shoot them. I was joining small gang Frigate roams two weeks into the game.

Hell, try being a jackass in game, maybe you'll like that. Go ransom some miners or take pot shots at missioners, or ninja some loot. That'll keep you on your toes.

If you can't find something fun and active to do, you're not really trying. Which might be the crux of the issue, since I don't think you WANT to find something fun to do.

Which, as has been mentioned, is fine. You shouldn't have to be convinced that something is fun or engaging. If it isn't fun for you, then it isn't fun for you. Go find something that is.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-01-01 01:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Giddie wrote:
You guys really aren't convincing me of anything, yet to see an actual response to my question aside from:

"You can....do stuff!"

Joined a corp last night, spent almost 45 minutes warping to their HQ. Got there and looked at missions, level 1's are 19 jumps away....YAY MORE WARPING.

And then when I get there and get the missions, they'll tell me to....yep....you guessed it....

warp somewhere....dock....warp back!

or

warp somewhere......gate from that somewhere.....click twice and watch your ship slowly fly around in a circle while shooting......warp back

YAY!!!

When I tried Eve about a year and a half ago, I joined a PVP corp and omg was it fun. We all got on teamspeak and went in and out of dock so we could "hide" while our little scout found someone. We even got to blow up a whole ship after 3 hours of sitting in a station waiting!

YAY!!!!

The appeal of this game makes no sense to me and, like in this thread, trying to figure it out just leads to mega fan boys going Apple Vs. Android like I've insulted their god for dare questioning how to actually enjoy this game without putting hundreds of hours of research into it.



Then go away

Bye

YOu won't be missed by anyone.

Really every single point you make here on the forums can be translated to this:

I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in need of hand holding. EVE isn't the game for me cause my game style and EVE differ too much.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-01-01 01:39:49 UTC
Giddie wrote:
Merouk Baas wrote:
We don't want to convince you.

The waiting in this game doesn't seem any longer than the waiting in other MMO's (EQ, WoW, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2 that I can attest to), so we are OK with it. This is typical of MMO's, where you have to walk to the next quest hub or fly from city to city to sell your stuff, etc. Same waiting.

If the time wasted is what you have a problem with, then may I suggest don't play MMO's.

This game is actually better than all the other MMO's, because here you can put buy orders on the market for 100 million for all the little tiny pieces of equipment that you need, and you can have other people bring everything to your lap so you don't wait another second. It just costs you a lot more. This option isn't available in the other MMOs.

Anyway, if you don't like waiting, don't play MMOs.

This is the game. Play it or not.


Except it's nothing like other MMOS....

In other MMOs you explore an open world when you move from point A to point B. In this you explore....nothing.....you go from "tiny random point in space" to "tiny random point in space" vs "YAY WARP BUBBLE".

I can't be mid warp, see a battle going on and go "oh cool, lets stop and see if I can help!"


* Killboards
* In game map (ship killing in last hour).
* New sites (where are the big wars).
* Dotlan (kills last hour / 24 hours).

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-01-01 01:45:30 UTC
Giddie wrote:


Every person that has replied has told me this is a sandbox with so much stuff to do! Not a single one of you have explained to me things that don't involved large amounts of waiting and are actively engaging.

There's a huge difference between "setting up for PVP by doing x y and z" and "Sitting in a station for 3 hours while we wait for a good target."


Missions and long waiting....When and where.

Accept mission, warp to mission location (less then 2 min travel at all times), shoot rats, warp back (same time), hand in mission. Pick next mission and repeat.

Mining...Okay, see your point here.

PvP...Get fleet set up, fly out to find enemies or camp somewhere and let enemies come to you (can be long wait, can be 1 jump away).

But really, if you are so bothered about that "long waiting" while doing those 1 minute warps....

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-01-01 01:46:51 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
You haven't raided in WoW, have you? With the guild or pick-up. Cause you wait for hours there too. 50-100 people don't assemble in 5 minutes.

Whatever. You're comparing levelling up in other MMO's with large group action here. It doesn't take you 1 hr to jump into your mining frigate and mine some roids. Get a mission and do it. Trade on the market. Whatever.

You want to see a "cool war" and then participate in it... with what? Your rookie ship? Why would either side of the war bother to even acknowledge you? Our job here isn't to make the game fun for you, it's to make it fun for ourselves.

In any case, again, this is the game, play it or don't. I'll grant you that the other MMO's are on-rail theme parks and this is a sandbox (here's your sand, next!), but similar waiting times are present in all the games, and if that's what you have a problem with then we can't help you. Just don't play; there are plenty other spaceships games out there. See X3AP for example.


The bolded.

Stop wasting our time, go and play something else if you don't like EVE.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
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#33 - 2013-01-01 01:48:26 UTC
Giddie wrote:

Explain to me an aspect of the game that doesn't have me staring at a fancy version for a loading screen for 80% of my play time.


The biomass character screen.

Only 10h of waiting time, after that instant success for us.

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#34 - 2013-01-01 01:50:57 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
He didn't like it, tried it several times and now writes long paragraphs of texts on how he doesn't like it, and you all go against it. It's ok if he doesn't like it, there's no law that says he has to. Move on.


Indeed.

But this is a New Citizen Questions & Answers forum

Not a "I don't like EVE and post my rage quit story" forum

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School of Applied Knowledge
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#35 - 2013-01-01 01:51:57 UTC
Silas Starblazer wrote:
It's an MMORPG. RPG being a key term. I think OP just doesn't have a good imagination. Hence why he compared EVE to Just Cause 2 in one of his initial posts.


Indeed. EVE and JC2, totally different game an any way you look at it.

It's like comparing a bicycle to the spaceshuttle...They aren't the same either.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#36 - 2013-01-01 02:29:43 UTC
Please give J'Poll and award for the most consecutive posts. OP, while you claim you don't want instant action, your words say otherwise. EVERYTHING in this game requires some form of waiting, but there are things to be done during that. Try exploring. Go buy a scanning frigate, train astrometrics to 2 (only an hour or so train), fit a probe launcher, and TRY IT OUT. Heck, if you really don't want to wait while playing, set up some long skills in the que, and go do something else in real life. This is just a game after all. Nobody is forcing you to stay if you don't like it.

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Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-01-01 02:37:30 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Please give J'Poll and award for the most consecutive posts. OP, while you claim you don't want instant action, your words say otherwise. EVERYTHING in this game requires some form of waiting, but there are things to be done during that. Try exploring. Go buy a scanning frigate, train astrometrics to 2 (only an hour or so train), fit a probe launcher, and TRY IT OUT. Heck, if you really don't want to wait while playing, set up some long skills in the que, and go do something else in real life. This is just a game after all. Nobody is forcing you to stay if you don't like it.


Its funny how you still can't actually give me something to do in the game that doesn't involve mostly waiting aside from "it's a sandbox guys!!".

I always wondered why so many people said this game was a pretty version of excel, the more I dig into it the more I see why.

This isn't a game, it's just a pretty way for people with nothing better to do to troll those looking for a sci-fi fix.

Enjoy your bumper to bumper waits.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-01-01 02:41:22 UTC
Giddie wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Please give J'Poll and award for the most consecutive posts. OP, while you claim you don't want instant action, your words say otherwise. EVERYTHING in this game requires some form of waiting, but there are things to be done during that. Try exploring. Go buy a scanning frigate, train astrometrics to 2 (only an hour or so train), fit a probe launcher, and TRY IT OUT. Heck, if you really don't want to wait while playing, set up some long skills in the que, and go do something else in real life. This is just a game after all. Nobody is forcing you to stay if you don't like it.


Its funny how you still can't actually give me something to do in the game that doesn't involve mostly waiting aside from "it's a sandbox guys!!".

I always wondered why so many people said this game was a pretty version of excel, the more I dig into it the more I see why.

This isn't a game, it's just a pretty way for people with nothing better to do to troll those looking for a sci-fi fix.

Enjoy your bumper to bumper waits.


I'm sorry that you were to stupid for EVE.

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Petra Alleile
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-01-01 02:43:24 UTC
Giddie wrote:

Its funny how you still can't actually give me something to do in the game that doesn't involve mostly waiting aside from "it's a sandbox guys!!".

Why on earth would it be anyone's job to give you something to do in game? You figure it out.
Giddie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-01-01 02:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Giddie
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Giddie wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Please give J'Poll and award for the most consecutive posts. OP, while you claim you don't want instant action, your words say otherwise. EVERYTHING in this game requires some form of waiting, but there are things to be done during that. Try exploring. Go buy a scanning frigate, train astrometrics to 2 (only an hour or so train), fit a probe launcher, and TRY IT OUT. Heck, if you really don't want to wait while playing, set up some long skills in the que, and go do something else in real life. This is just a game after all. Nobody is forcing you to stay if you don't like it.


Its funny how you still can't actually give me something to do in the game that doesn't involve mostly waiting aside from "it's a sandbox guys!!".

I always wondered why so many people said this game was a pretty version of excel, the more I dig into it the more I see why.

This isn't a game, it's just a pretty way for people with nothing better to do to troll those looking for a sci-fi fix.

Enjoy your bumper to bumper waits.


I'm sorry that you were to stupid for EVE.


Stupid? Nope

Unwilling? Yes, I normally give games a solid 4-6 hours of play time before I decide if its worth my time or not to continue based on fun, obviously a bit more for MMOs. I've given EVE ten times that and still don't have a clue about this so called game.

So many arguments about how EVE doesn't "spoon feed you", yet every single person tells you to go read novels of blogs and websites to get information on the game.

Sorry, but one of the core pillars behind good game design is accessibility. Likely the reason why there's only 29,000 people online world wide on EVE, sadly a large portion of those are likely sub accounts of the same person.

Now excuse me while I go play some HoN (180,000 people online right now, fyi)