EVE General Discussion

Pfff.... highsec incursions are just fine as it is now. They're balanced quite nicely with just the right amount of people doing them. Maybe some sites are worse than others, but you can't be perfect.

However it stands as a fact that not a single lowsec or nullsec incursion has been completed since The Great Nerf (7 months now?).
Buff nullsec and lowsec incursions damn it.

Other players are the content in EVE, not some themepark bullshit. That's what makes it special.

Red plus signs == space cash, nothing more.

PvE's chief flaw is that its just so predictable.

Every level 4 has been run a hundred thousand times and had a guide written and uploaded to the internet, every NPC rat is named so that you can look them up and know in advance exactly what its abilities are, every asteroid type hands out its ore consistently until it expires. There's no danger of anything interesting or unusual ever happening so PvE focused players min-max their ship and fitting choices to optimise around this absolute predictability and run the grind over and over again until they fall asleep at the keyboard.

I've said before that the best way of making PvE fun is to make it a voyage into the unknown every time.

Ding ding! WINNAR!

Bonus: this also makes botting harder

Second part of the post, i srsly despise the double post but ccp dosnet let me any choice





I said nothing about pvp, i love pvp, but i also want to enjoy a fun pve, which eve has not at this moment, which is what i try ppl here to talk about, but its known that humans always tend to get argues on the path that interest them, and in some cases, like this (and much more to come) :




... always amazes me, im not asking for wis, im not asking that i want more customization or barbie online stuff, im just asking for ccp to make some content they worked to introduce, to be made fun, anything else, and you deny me... is that that you enjoy boredom? then why dont you just go and lock yourself in your closet while stumping your head to the wall (watch out the bleeds) and stop bothering here? you might realise (seeing how you work im sure it wont take much than a day) that boredom is not good, fun is !





Ah well yead dude, but thats your opinion... speak for yourself.






Thank you very much, very interesting , we are not speaking about the exact same thing but at least we agree that PvE needs a serious overhaul.






I'm sorry, i can't give my opinion in lowsec incursions since ive never been there doing them, when i go to low/null its always to blow/get blown.

But im not only speaking on incursions, im speaking about whole pve, and about incursions, im talking about more different kind of sites, and with different pirate factions, and with different kind of rewards would be much appreciated, in the variety is where the joy is :)

Another one with a need to train reading skills.





Dude, I'm telling you again, this is your opinion, don't speak as if you own the truth of the universe...

Just say, why if ccp introduces incursions from Guristas makes eve more casual? or more playmobil online? it just adds variety, anything else.





And you, jesus ******* cryst... where did you read "give more money" i never said that, i said, textually, levels 4 need to be more difficult to be more entertaining, not for us to earn more isk...


Seriously people, sometimes you make some assumptions that are just out of this reality.






Finally... someone without the need to say no automatically without giving it a single thought, someone with a well furnitured brain, lovin' ur input :)





I see how my vision could be read as that, and i understand, but nope, thats not what i want, i dont want to stay in high like a **** and make money, i can do that now as it is, i make 200m per hour in incursions, i sit in my computer on saturdays when im up for it and pay for the subscription while chitchatting on comms with my peeps.

What i want is more varied content, and yes, it means that i want difficult anomaly sites in high sec, different ones than in low/null, why? because guys, EVE IS A GAME (thing that a lot of ppl in eve have forgotten), AND GAMES ARE ABOUT FUN.

It's the truth of the EVE universe. That's the beauty of a multiplayer sandbox, you don't need constant content updates to make people stay and play because other players provide content.


It would still be shooting red plus signs for space cash. EVE is about titanic struggles between player empires and petty squabbles between individuals over in-game resources, not some roller-coaster questing ride that takes you from level 1 to (some arbitrary number).

Y'know you're going to hate to hear this but... Star Trek Online has a built-in mission generator that let's players make their own missions to share with the community. One of the features of this is the way it handles enemy spawns: They can be randomized. Meaning if you place a spawn in a mission it can be set to produce a variable number of ships within a set bracket. It might do lots of little cannon fodder ships, or it might do a fewer number of more elite AI type ships.

That's what missions in EvE need. Instead of fixed, predictable & linear spawns it simply needs randomized spawn thingies. It might dump out four frigates... or two cruisers... or just one cruiser with better AI and EWAR. That high level spawn could be just one top level battleship with every AI gimmick in the book, or end up spewing out a horde of over twenty cheap, low AI frigates.

You know what else they can do? More mission variety. I don't mean more of the same stuff, I mean actual variety. There are only three type of mission agents: Shoot stuff, mine stuff, and haul stuff. What about exploration missions? A mission that spawns some random radar/gravimetric/etc site into the system and you have to scan it down & recover stuff from the site. Or a industry mission where you have to deliver a certain number of finished goods to the mission agent? Hint: Star Wars Galaxies did in deed have Explorer and Artisan missions - this is not a new idea.

The other thing that they should be doing, since they claim they want PvE to be more like PvP, is rebalancing the existing missions to actually reflect that. Meaning that overall ship numbers need to be reduced and their AI raised. NPC ships should be redone to truly mirror player ships. Instead of nerfing player drones they should have given NPC drone hulls the ability to use drones themselves. Likewise, NPCs ships need to get rid of the unlimited ammo & capacitor so that energy drain attacks can actually affect them. Instead of arbitrary damage & resists have the different NPCs use the exact same ship templates that play ships have. Loot drops would no longer be so utterly random, by the way - they can be done the exact same rules as player ships.

So what you would see at the end of the day with a PvE mission done in true PvP style is you versus maybe only six enemies, tops, but each of them would have the full range of it's AI potential: EWAR, drones, remote repairing allies, etc. And even though the overall bounties would be going down (fewer ships = fewer bounties) the loot drops would be increasing to compensate since, oh yeah, those NPC ships are now following the exact same rules as player ships and dropping loot based off what they are actually carrying and using themselves.

In other words, PvE enemy ships should be completely identical to player ships. Same hulls, same modules, same rules. Just with CCP made AI controlling them. That's it.

You want to bridge the gap between PvE and PvP? There you go.

YES! Same **** again, again again and again!

IRL I have to worry about business models and all that so I seriously do not need that crap on my free time

Single character can't compete with typical 3-4 alts in industrial competition. Single character can't train pvp AND industry/trade skills.

That's the problem! So if you do not want to get dozen alts or even ONE alt, your only way to make money is PVE. You can trade, you can make little indystuff, but PVE pays out better.

But it's so absolutely BORING! And if you do it with others it pays even less than going throug 200 orders in jita every other second!

The best part about this would be when that lowly Serpentis Spy comes and scrams your Retriever, kills your drones, then proceeds to ransom you for 1/2 the value of your ship (which it intrinsically knows thanks to CCP's valuation code). In high-sec.

That's a rhetorical "you", BTW.