Crime & Punishment

Think of it, if you are going to make them pay to mine in YOUR icefields, what are you going to do to ensure they feel safe in them?

Maybe if you offered actual protection as a part of your racket miners would like it, right now, the only difference between a miner following the code and one that doesn't is that one is bumped less

If you desire to interfere with his gameplay, there are ways to do it. Unfortunately for you, the moaning of thousands of people just like you have caused nerfs that significantly limit your options. This is literally the result of things you (and by you I refer to your class) have asked for. If you wish to turn your whining in such a direction that dissolving a corp is no longer an easy way to side-step a war, you have my full support.

This is a bed you made, and now you'll have to lie in it.

i started playing like 3 months ago dude, i am not responsible for the tears of carebares unable to accept what EVE is

But what would the point be then of even paying that small fee if another merc group showed up backed up by the "resistance", you have put it plain and simple in your threads, you blow up 200m+ worth of miners with a couple of ships that cost what, around 2-3m each? I guess that is pretty profitable especially after reading that New order killed around 70bil in miner ships and modules? That is very profitable. Another thing is that they don't even have to bump the miners that have swore allegiance, they can just come into a sector, find out who has your "bumpersticker" and attack them.

Maybe you should put in some time into protecting or at least educating miners, or even giving them loans with no interest to equip them with, as one person suggested skiffs, which can have more than 100k ehp, which will prevent them from being ganged quite a lot from small fleets which will be destroyed well before any considerable damage is done to them, especially if they have a logistic ship, even t1 will do probably.

You could teach them how to avoid bumping, maybe pay that dude that messed you up with his tactics, those are his claims or at least what he wrote, and ask him to teach you those skills, which you can later on pass to your miner followers.

If the word about you doing this spreads you can become much better known corp and your reputation would be on the good and honorable to many more people, hell you could one day even control the prices if you managed to pull in high % of high sec miners.

But this way if you are only extorting them to give you those 10mil a year and get nothing in return but "safety" from only New order agents and knights, well what a poor Order you are and there is nothing honorable or "divine" in what you are doing.

They don't need the guts or supporters, they only need isk with which to pay the mercs, plus later on if what you say is true and you have above 100bil in destroyed miners and modules they will start doing it for free since there is a good profit in that what you are doing at the moment and even some other merc groups could use high sec as training area for their future ganks to hone their skills of concord control and so on.

It's not a 100bill profit for us, it's a 100bill loss for the miners. We don't get their ships, they just lose them.

James' money doesn't come from ganking, I can assure you of that much.

Here's a typical New Order Mackinaw kill. Total loss was 202 million ISK. Total module drop was three million ISK. That's about 1.5% drop, which would mean that 150 million ISK had been dropped from our 100 billion in damages, and if you spread that out among the Knights who participate, it comes to maybe 3 million each. And then you have to account for the cost of our Catalysts, which can range from 2 million to 15 million, depending on the fit.

No, ganking is no longer profitable.

Well I have randomly researched couple of your fleet members in these kills and from what I saw most of your fits are around 2.3mil and miner kills range from 1 mil to around 18mil, the lowest and highest I happen to come across with a very random and not at all thorough research of kills made by some of your fleet members. Now some of them do use more expensive fits but that usually is when you are going to fight some miners that actually did stand up and got into some ships that can strike back, and those are around 17mil only because there are t2 guns and ammo fitted but I really doubt even then you use these fits to a large degree.

So in conclusion you use 2.3mil fit in general and lets say an average of 8mil per miner killed but then again the real average could be higher, not to mention in the beginnings or when you happen to run up against a bling miner ship that has deadspace and money invested in his mining barge which could be a drop worth for 100 of your ship fits. Still you are getting 3 fitted ships for 1 miner barge giving that we take into account the 8mil drop price of modules and other things that happen to drop from the destroyed miner.

Plus what I have seen and that is really despicable that you pop their capsules as well, which is really disgusting.

I don't think you chose your sample group well enough. T2 Catalyst fits are at least as common T1 ones nowadays among us, so we can assume that the average Catalyst costs us 6 mill (low estimate because we also get some mods back). A Mackinaw takes 5 or 6 Catalysts to kill. An average of 8 mill might drop. That's a net loss of 22 - 28 mill for us.


Why is that disgusting?