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James315 isnt going far enough

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#101 - 2013-01-04 02:12:26 UTC
Xolve wrote:


I don't care about the New Order, James315, or any of this miner bumping skulduggery, but while someone is engaging in their chosen play style, your inability to affect their chosen play style in any manner, doesn't make THEM the incapable party; it makes YOU the incapable party.



Eve in a nutshell, right there.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2013-01-04 02:35:11 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
I like the cut of this jibe, even if I am mostly a high sec scrub-lord. Quoted for truth.


I'm not knocking the High Sec way of life, just the people that claim to have some aversion to someone else's activities because it doesn't fall directly in line with how their activities should cross, and then lay some sort of skill deficit on the party for not playing EVE the way they want them to.

Just like in the thread with guy arguing about the cost of making a corp not equivalent to the cost of a war dec. Some things are put in place for a reason- the inability of people to think about 'the big picture' in regards to making wildly foolish suggestions of claim is one of the biggest annoyances of players in this game, regardless of the native security of the space they choose to reside in.

Literally the only thing more annoying than a self-entitled, give me everything for nothing carebear; is the self-entitled, give me everything for nothing PvPer.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-01-04 03:16:45 UTC
The people saying oh you cant PVP so you kill miners blah blah blah need to keep it quiet. This isn't about PVP in my opinion.

Fact is that ganking is profitable, where there are profits, you will find a business. On the plus side of ganking is the tears as well, which makes for the fun part and why i do it.

Besides, why should someone in "highsec" be free from not being killed because he is in an exhumer? The "oh he cant fight back" blah blah blah is complete BS.

Its like me jumping into gatecamp in lowsec in a transport ship or something and getting smashed by 3 Lokis with rapiers ETC. I cant fight back. Does this mean gatecamps should be stopped? Sure there are ways i could of avoided it, though this is the same for miners. They can avoid being ganked. They just cant be bothered investing the time.

They choose to mine in highsec, with that the only risk is ganking, or else they just mine AFK and get pure profits.

Risk VS reward people. RISK VS REWARD PPP











A True Champion of High Security Space
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#104 - 2013-01-04 03:16:50 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
I like the cut of this jibe, even if I am mostly a high sec scrub-lord. Quoted for truth.


I'm not knocking the High Sec way of life, just the people that claim to have some aversion to someone else's activities because it doesn't fall directly in line with how their activities should cross, and then lay some sort of skill deficit on the party for not playing EVE the way they want them to.

Just like in the thread with guy arguing about the cost of making a corp not equivalent to the cost of a war dec. Some things are put in place for a reason- the inability of people to think about 'the big picture' in regards to making wildly foolish suggestions of claim is one of the biggest annoyances of players in this game, regardless of the native security of the space they choose to reside in.

Literally the only thing more annoying than a self-entitled, give me everything for nothing carebear; is the self-entitled, give me everything for nothing PvPer.


And I am in agreement, and I also recognize that there is a high tendency for these vocal entitled individuals to be from high sec, an area of space that find myself in for the most part. The null sec equivalent tend to be not so much entitled but rather elitists who have "trancended" the savage ways of high sec to embrace "true PVP." As if shooting lasers at someone in null sec is different than shooting lasers at someone in high sec. OMG I SHOT SOMEONE.

TLDR: High-sec ranting players tend to throw tantrums about people not playing how they think they should. Null-sec vocal players tend to voice their transcendence to greatness. Low-sec players go ARRR and don't give a **** as long as there is pew.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2013-01-04 04:00:09 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
TLDR: High-sec ranting players tend to throw tantrums about people not playing how they think they should. Null-sec vocal players tend to voice their transcendence to greatness. Low-sec players go ARRR and don't give a **** as long as there is pew.


I tend to not care much about what anyone thinks, and set out to do whatever will make me giggle for more than 30 seconds, be it completely stripping a corp/player/alliance of all assets, murdering unpersons, ganking freighters, or seeing how much ISK in damages I can rack up in one day ganking pods on the perimeter gate.

Do whatever you enjoy, just understand ruining that enjoyment might bring joy to someone else.
Theron Dashto
Doomheim
#106 - 2013-01-04 10:44:22 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Literally the only thing more annoying than a self-entitled, give me everything for nothing carebear; is the self-entitled, give me everything for nothing PvPer.


Most brilliant sentence posted on an MMO forum. Ever.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2013-01-05 22:57:57 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
Most brilliant sentence posted on an MMO forum. Ever.


I have my moments
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-01-06 09:34:59 UTC
I think you should leave the new players alone unless they in a barge in a belt then fair game

but some of these new players will in time become new marks
as a growing organisation i think you need to start thinking about streamlineing your organisation for exsample

new miners = new marks
ppl already mineing = potential or valide costumer

Does not matter if afk or bot or casiual player they are all valid costomers

any miner under one year 20m a month flat fee
any miner above one year 50m a month flat fee

miss one month get bumped daily and marked for all members to bump
Miss two months then organise a emp gank

rember fear is better than killing when in the extortion racket

so when you emp gank make it publicly know forums drop can in belt they died saying #### died here for non payment
Once word gets around the herd that you follow through with emp ganks your monthly payments will be no problem

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2013-01-06 10:06:19 UTC
psycho freak wrote:
rember fear is better than killing when in the extortion racket


To incite fear, one must first kill a few innocents.

Seriously, do you have any idea how much ISK I've made charging one hundred million isk by just warping to a belt in empire, and offering to sell mining passes?

Something about Goons in system. Then again, when we go miner ganking- we literally cause the market to **** itself. Never not kill miners.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-01-06 10:50:19 UTC
Yes i agree you have to kill a few first

if notice thats why i said everyone they kill make it known to all propaganda you know what i mean

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Ignis Loyola
Humble Agency
#111 - 2013-01-06 12:09:51 UTC
As a humble Agent of the Code, I make sure that the Code is brought forth to all who mine in highsec, regardless of their age. However, new players in Ventures only get information about the Code and New Order from me, nothing else. It's only when they jump into barges and exhumers that I enforce said Code. So I'm in agreement to my fellow Agents and Knights who posted here. No point in discouraging newbie miners from playing the game - it's enough for them to know the Code and think twice before trying to become afk'rs and bots.


All hail the New Order!
Hellynx84
Revolution of Chaos
#112 - 2013-01-08 07:13:45 UTC
I support this idea. When will they allow us to use bumping carriers and titans in hisec. A bumping ragnarok would be much more suited to that task than mining in it

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Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#113 - 2013-01-08 10:07:38 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:
The people saying oh you cant PVP so you kill miners blah blah blah need to keep it quiet. This isn't about PVP in my opinion.

Fact is that ganking is profitable, where there are profits, you will find a business. On the plus side of ganking is the tears as well, which makes for the fun part and why i do it.

Besides, why should someone in "highsec" be free from not being killed because he is in an exhumer? The "oh he cant fight back" blah blah blah is complete BS.

Its like me jumping into gatecamp in lowsec in a transport ship or something and getting smashed by 3 Lokis with rapiers ETC. I cant fight back. Does this mean gatecamps should be stopped? Sure there are ways i could of avoided it, though this is the same for miners. They can avoid being ganked. They just cant be bothered investing the time.

They choose to mine in highsec, with that the only risk is ganking, or else they just mine AFK and get pure profits.

Risk VS reward people. RISK VS REWARD PPP




Why is james immune to the Risk VS Reward thing then, he has no risk because there is no way for anyone to attack him outside wardecs and he just dissolves the corp if that happens

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#114 - 2013-01-08 11:10:02 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Why is james immune to the Risk VS Reward thing then, he has no risk because there is no way for anyone to attack him outside wardecs and he just dissolves the corp if that happens

The Knights of the New Order have found a way to attack people without using wardecs in highsec.

You should ask them what it is.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2013-01-08 22:39:30 UTC
I firmly believe anyone who can fly an exhumer is not "new". You have by that time already learned how to skill queue, which means you either asked someone or went through the tutorials.

Therefore, you know how to navigate, and know how to move your ship. Any evidence to the contrary means you shouldn't be able to fly an exhumer, or know enough as it is to become a miner.

Beyond that, the only other thing I can offer to say is any miner who presents themself as a fulltime professional miner should be atleast good at his/her job.

The NO proves them wrong.

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Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2013-01-09 01:03:03 UTC
After reading all the posts about New Order and this James I can't keep but wonder if New Order protects the paying miners against some other mining corp, that doesn't want to or plainly refuses to pay for the permit, from contracting some other mercenary corp to do the same exact thing against the miners that swore their loyalties to the Code or w/e its called?

Since if they can't protect their own miners from getting bumped and ganged upon then what is the point of even paying those permits?
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#117 - 2013-01-09 01:14:26 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
After reading all the posts about New Order and this James I can't keep but wonder if New Order protects the paying miners against some other mining corp, that doesn't want to or plainly refuses to pay for the permit, from contracting some other mercenary corp to do the same exact thing against the miners that swore their loyalties to the Code or w/e its called?

Since if they can't protect their own miners from getting bumped and ganged upon then what is the point of even paying those permits?


they don't protect them, they just make it harder for them to mine while they are around, it doesn't even get to be called a protection racket because i could show up and explode a bunch of things without them interfering

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2013-01-09 02:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
After reading all the posts about New Order and this James I can't keep but wonder if New Order protects the paying miners against some other mining corp, that doesn't want to or plainly refuses to pay for the permit, from contracting some other mercenary corp to do the same exact thing against the miners that swore their loyalties to the Code or w/e its called?

Since if they can't protect their own miners from getting bumped and ganged upon then what is the point of even paying those permits?


We provide our permit-holding miners with sound and actionable advice on how to minimize their risk of being bumped and ganked. The New Order is not here to spoon feed you or be your personal shield against a hostile EVE, it's here to teach you how to adapt.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#119 - 2013-01-09 02:50:11 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
After reading all the posts about New Order and this James I can't keep but wonder if New Order protects the paying miners against some other mining corp, that doesn't want to or plainly refuses to pay for the permit, from contracting some other mercenary corp to do the same exact thing against the miners that swore their loyalties to the Code or w/e its called?

Since if they can't protect their own miners from getting bumped and ganged upon then what is the point of even paying those permits?


We provide our permit-holding miners with sound and actionable advice on how to minimize their risk of being bumped and ganked. The New Order is not here to spoon feed you or be your personal shield against a hostile EVE, it's here to teach you how to adapt.


"We like to take your money without providing protection"

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#120 - 2013-01-09 04:48:44 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
After reading all the posts about New Order and this James I can't keep but wonder if New Order protects the paying miners against some other mining corp, that doesn't want to or plainly refuses to pay for the permit, from contracting some other mercenary corp to do the same exact thing against the miners that swore their loyalties to the Code or w/e its called?

Since if they can't protect their own miners from getting bumped and ganged upon then what is the point of even paying those permits?

Because the only people suicide ganking miners in highsec are Agents of the New Order? Blink

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