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Ryzak Freemoon
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#321 - 2013-01-21 11:45:06 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Those "bot-aspirants" are not using any program to control their ship, each command is given by their own hand so they are at the keyboard, maybe they alt tab-ed...

While the EVE Online client is not technically a bot, it is certainly a program controlling the ship, as the mining lasers continue to mine regardless of whether or not there is a human there. An AFK miner may not be a botter by CCP's definition, but they are certainly a bot-aspirant in that they make use of bot-like processes to harvest ice.


same "programs" controll a ship in combat just as they do while mining.. so how are the code ppl not bots them selfes then?:P hehe..

either way.. just got started in this game.. but after reading alot on the forums i've lost all hope for humanity hehe.. so many bad ppl out there, there is no way we will make it..
i'm off to eat lunch.. i'll cya when i get home from work :)
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#322 - 2013-01-21 11:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Those "bot-aspirants" are not using any program to control their ship, each command is given by their own hand so they are at the keyboard, maybe they alt tab-ed...

While the EVE Online client is not technically a bot, it is certainly a program controlling the ship, as the mining lasers continue to mine regardless of whether or not there is a human there. An AFK miner may not be a botter by CCP's definition, but they are certainly a bot-aspirant in that they make use of bot-like processes to harvest ice.


Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#323 - 2013-01-21 11:49:03 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".

There is a subtle line between what is an acceptable level of bot aspiration and what is not.

Example A: Gallant alt-tabs to the EVE wiki to research something as he warps from one stargate to the next.

Example B: Goofus sets up his miners and then goes AFK to watch telly for five hours.

Guess which is acceptable.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#324 - 2013-01-21 14:12:06 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Those "bot-aspirants" are not using any program to control their ship, each command is given by their own hand so they are at the keyboard, maybe they alt tab-ed...

While the EVE Online client is not technically a bot, it is certainly a program controlling the ship, as the mining lasers continue to mine regardless of whether or not there is a human there. An AFK miner may not be a botter by CCP's definition, but they are certainly a bot-aspirant in that they make use of bot-like processes to harvest ice.


Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".


Yes.

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Agent Trask
Doomheim
#325 - 2013-01-21 20:21:47 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
It's amazing how much drama James, godfather of high sec, has generated simply through publicizing the stuff Goon's Miniluv does every day. None of this is new at all.


Miniluv prefers to do their best work in the hidden confines of Room 101.

We do our work in the light of day.

Both are needed to curb Poor Player Entitlement Syndrome.

Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.

www.minerbumping.com
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#326 - 2013-01-22 11:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
You have abused them the moment you attacked their spaceship and stole some of their stuff so they are reacting to your abuse with their own abuse.


No, I have violenced a spaceship in a computer game & stolen some virtual goods in a computer game, a computer game where that happens to be a perfectly legitimate type of gameplay.

Eyana Starstruck wrote:
You have the right to extort and attempt to force people to see things your way in real life, so why don't you do it outside of the game as well?


Perhaps if you live in a place such as Chad or Sudan where life is considered cheap, then your argument may have some weight. Otherwise I believe that you're having some trouble distinguishing computer game actions (where said actions are perfectly ok) to real life actions (where these things are not ok). It worries me that so many people have trouble recognising that there is a huge difference between the two. Is this how you justify the plethora of death threats/threats of harm that 'peaceful miners' seem so fond of dishing out?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#327 - 2013-01-22 11:13:17 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".

There is a subtle line between what is an acceptable level of bot aspiration and what is not.

Example A: Gallant alt-tabs to the EVE wiki to research something as he warps from one stargate to the next and doesn't profit from it.

Example B: Goofus sets up his miners and then goes AFK to watch telly for five hours and profits from not playing the game

Guess which is acceptable.


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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#328 - 2013-01-22 11:27:32 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".

There is a subtle line between what is an acceptable level of bot aspiration and what is not.

Example A: Gallant alt-tabs to the EVE wiki to research something as he warps from one stargate to the next and doesn't profit from it.

Example B: Goofus sets up his miners and then goes AFK to watch telly for five hours and profits from not playing the game

Guess which is acceptable.


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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#329 - 2013-01-23 13:19:52 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
You have abused them the moment you attacked their spaceship and stole some of their stuff so they are reacting to your abuse with their own abuse. You have the right to extort and attempt to force people to see things your way in real life, so why don't you do it outside of the game as well?


If that's your definition of abuse, then you obviously have never encountered real abuse.

In a game primarily focused on the destruction of imaginary space ships, I don't think the destruction of your imaginary space ship should be at all unexpected. Even if you choose to play Eve as a pacifist miner, you should at least be aware that the whole reason the minerals you produce have value is that they are needed to build warships and to replace the ships destroyed by them.

As for the difference between gameplay and real life, do you really not see the distinction? Of course it's true that real life mechanics allow you to attack people on a whim, and some people do. But the idea that a person's real life choices would be in any way related to the way they choose to play a game is ludicrous.
Agent Trask
Doomheim
#330 - 2013-01-23 20:27:36 UTC
No one can biomass Eyana's clone permanently.

All of this is simply ISK loss ... ISK that can be recouped by more game play.


If other players making it difficult for you to win disturbs you, then maybe you need to be playing solitaire? Is a Monopoly player evil for building a hotel on Boardwalk, and taking all your money as rent and bankrupting you?

Exactly how is blowing up your spaceship evil? A rational person would alter their game play, and either fly better ships, mine somewhere else, or cut a deal.

Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.

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Sir Diablos
Requiem Knowledge
#331 - 2013-01-23 21:32:26 UTC
Sara Arran wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
To put it bluntly, this is a stupid idea.


How so? I enjoy tears as much as anyone but we have an opportunity to persuade new players to do something interesting rather than shoot rocks and then leave cos its dull as **** or become entitled dicks who think they should be able to shoot rocks without anyone bothering them.


As opposed to becoming entitled dicks who think they know what's best for other players.

I sometimes have to wonder when the harshness of space was replaced with the soft foamy feel of a theme park.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#332 - 2013-01-23 21:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sir Diablos wrote:
Sara Arran wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
To put it bluntly, this is a stupid idea.


How so? I enjoy tears as much as anyone but we have an opportunity to persuade new players to do something interesting rather than shoot rocks and then leave cos its dull as **** or become entitled dicks who think they should be able to shoot rocks without anyone bothering them.


As opposed to becoming entitled dicks who think they know what's best for other players.


Better a sub from someone that actually plays and sees the game for what it is, than a sub from someone that wants to change the very premise of the game, or no sub at all from someone who quit because mining is so boring they'd rather go back to WoW than even attempt to try another career.

The difference between your so called "entitled dicks", is that one adapts their play-style to the game, the other wants the game to adapt to their play-style.

TL;DR
If people can't accept Eve for what it is, then why are they playing Eve?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#333 - 2013-01-24 02:46:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR
If people can't accept Eve for what it is, then why are they playing Eve?


It apparently makes sense to pay 15bux a month for a multiplayer game when what they really want is a single player game.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#334 - 2013-01-24 10:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: admiral root
Agent Trask wrote:
No one can biomass Eyana's clone permanently.


Well, no-one except Eyana. We can only hope. Lol

Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR
If people can't accept Eve for what it is, then why are they playing Eve?


It apparently makes sense to pay 15bux a month for a multiplayer game when what they really want is a single player game.


Why aren't we that smart? Then we could stop bumping, ganking and awoxing and enjoy a peaceful life.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#335 - 2013-01-25 13:26:53 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".

There is a subtle line between what is an acceptable level of bot aspiration and what is not.

Example A: Gallant alt-tabs to the EVE wiki to research something as he warps from one stargate to the next.

Example B: Goofus sets up his miners and then goes AFK to watch telly for five hours.

Guess which is acceptable.


So a miner who alt-tabs to his pvp alt is not a bot-aspirant?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#336 - 2013-01-25 13:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Estella Osoka wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".

There is a subtle line between what is an acceptable level of bot aspiration and what is not.

Example A: Gallant alt-tabs to the EVE wiki to research something as he warps from one stargate to the next.

Example B: Goofus sets up his miners and then goes AFK to watch telly for five hours.

Guess which is acceptable.


So a miner who alt-tabs to his pvp alt is not a bot-aspirant?

While PvPing is commendable, I'm not entirely sure how you gleaned that from my response. It would be acceptable if he alt-tabbed to his PvP alt while he warped between stargates. It is just as much bot aspiration if he alt-tabs to his PvP alt for long periods of time while mining as it would be if he was watching telly.

Edit: Well, nearly as much. Perhaps not just as much. Still definitely bot aspiration though.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#337 - 2013-01-25 13:41:04 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
You have abused them the moment you attacked their spaceship and stole some of their stuff so they are reacting to your abuse with their own abuse.


No, I have violenced a spaceship in a computer game & stolen some virtual goods in a computer game, a computer game where that happens to be a perfectly legitimate type of gameplay.

Eyana Starstruck wrote:
You have the right to extort and attempt to force people to see things your way in real life, so why don't you do it outside of the game as well?


Perhaps if you live in a place such as Chad or Sudan where life is considered cheap, then your argument may have some weight. Otherwise I believe that you're having some trouble distinguishing computer game actions (where said actions are perfectly ok) to real life actions (where these things are not ok). It worries me that so many people have trouble recognising that there is a huge difference between the two. Is this how you justify the plethora of death threats/threats of harm that 'peaceful miners' seem so fond of dishing out?


Highsec baddies seem incapable of grasping the difference between real life and a space video game. I can't believe the amount of times I've seen them honestly compare killing their pixel spaceship to real life murders, genocide, etc.

They are broken. Only the Code can fix them.
Mary Won-Na
Doomheim
#338 - 2013-01-25 17:21:35 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Media Jessup wrote:
Sara Arran wrote:
I am a supporter of the New Order but i don't believe we are going far enough.

The afk mining mindset is instilled during the first few weeks in the game, once someone has become a miner they will stay that way. This disease must be nipped in the bud. I believe we must gank new players anywhere outside of noob systems.

Those who respond with the correct mindset should provided with ships, skillbooks, support etc and invited into right thinking corps...those who wish to continue mining have two choices, either join an approved corp with punitive tax rates to fund our reclamation of high sec or risk repeated ganking.

Only by starting early can we rid Eve of this menace.

Sara Arran


I don't get it. What are you suppose to do while not afk mining. Stare at your astroid? The ganking and bumping is causing the problem with afk mining not correcting it. You are nothing but goons.


Maybe socialise with people in the multiplayer game that you play like a single player game?


If I wanted to socialize, I would go out and socialize, not stay at home playing a video game. I play video games to get away from going out, to save money and for a little alone time.

So what is up with people telling me I must be all chatty and social with people I don't even know on the internet?? Dictating how i choose to play a video game? I play multiplayer games to a) kill people (pvp), b) there is no b and it definitely isn't to make new internet friends.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#339 - 2013-01-25 17:27:21 UTC
Mary Won-Na wrote:
If I wanted to socialize, I would go out and socialize, not stay at home playing a video game. I play video games to get away from going out, to save money and for a little alone time.

So what is up with people telling me I must be all chatty and social with people I don't even know on the internet?? Dictating how i choose to play a video game? I play multiplayer games to a) kill people (pvp), b) there is no b and it definitely isn't to make new internet friends.

And if other people play an MMO with the intention of forcing social interaction, is that bad?
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#340 - 2013-01-25 17:33:23 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Going by that definition, then everyone who plays EVE and alt-tabs between programs is "bot-aspirant".

There is a subtle line between what is an acceptable level of bot aspiration and what is not.

Example A: Gallant alt-tabs to the EVE wiki to research something as he warps from one stargate to the next.

Example B: Goofus sets up his miners and then goes AFK to watch telly for five hours.

Guess which is acceptable.


So a miner who alt-tabs to his pvp alt is not a bot-aspirant?

While PvPing is commendable, I'm not entirely sure how you gleaned that from my response. It would be acceptable if he alt-tabbed to his PvP alt while he warped between stargates. It is just as much bot aspiration if he alt-tabs to his PvP alt for long periods of time while mining as it would be if he was watching telly.

Edit: Well, nearly as much. Perhaps not just as much. Still definitely bot aspiration though.


Just going by the examples you gave.

All I really know is that while ya'll are up in highsec dicking around with miners, you're not down in lowsec providing me with more targets. Twisted