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"Stealing" Complex sites
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Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-31 03:10:56 UTC
Would you consider it stealing a site if someone warped into a complex you had already started and just began racing for the Boss/end loot?
Technicalities aside, I'm just speaking on a very general basis. None of that "Depends on how far I am into the site"
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-12-31 04:04:13 UTC
Figuratively, yes.. you did all the work for someone to take the treasure. Technically, only if the loot was already flagged as yours.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#3 - 2012-12-31 04:36:28 UTC
No, it isn't stealing unless the wreck is yellow and the guy gets a suspect flag at which point you can shoot him. I have an alt character for just this purpose. I let the tech 3s clear the site then I grab the loot in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-31 05:10:15 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.


that makes no sense.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Etherealclams
#5 - 2012-12-31 06:33:04 UTC
dexington wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.


that makes no sense.


I'm assuming they think it's the type of scenario where they shoot and you warp in with your main and own them while the frigate tackles to keep them there.

http://aclamthatrants.blogspot.com/ Read up on my adventures.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-31 08:36:01 UTC
The way you ask your question OP, makes me think you know it isn't stealing.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-31 09:24:55 UTC
OP says stealing as if its something bad to do in EVE Lol
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#8 - 2012-12-31 09:25:25 UTC
I consider all sites "fair game". If I'm in the site and someone warps in, I expect a race to the finish line. Let the best man win.

If I warp in and there's another dude running the site, it's again a race.

I've "stolen" sites and had a lot "stolen" from me. It's a part of the game. And hey let's be honest. It brings a lot of excitement into running the sites, which usually are boring-as-hell.

Hi OP. I recall your name but can't remember if it was you stealing my site or me stealing yours. Sorry if I stole from you, expect me to do it again if we meet at the same site :D
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-31 09:57:58 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
dexington wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.


that makes no sense.


I'm assuming they think it's the type of scenario where they shoot and you warp in with your main and own them while the frigate tackles to keep them there.


Most sites where it's worth stealing anything are gated, you should have more then enough time to shoot the frig, loot it and warp out.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Matthias Vilmet
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-31 13:47:06 UTC
One time, in a serpentis phi outpost. I scanned it down, went to get my ship, got back and a Tengu was already finishing it. We raced to the operator in the second room and were both damaging him. He got the kill and the loot, so I began salvaging in front of him.

He mistakenly thought that salvaging made me a viable target, forgot that we were in highsec, and blasted himself to kingom come.

The salvage and materials left by his corpse were worth 2 Serpentis Phi Outposts.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#11 - 2012-12-31 16:12:43 UTC
dexington wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.


that makes no sense.


Attack the next frigate that becomes a valid target to you....please post what you learned afterwards.
Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-12-31 16:34:33 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
The way you ask your question OP, makes me think you know it isn't stealing.


I have my doubts and my own opinion, but my opinion is based on a very self imposed moral code I go by. This in itself is open to many flaws. So time to time I will ask questions to get other people opinions on things so that I may formulate a better idea in my head on how I should view and approach things.
Lyell Wolf
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-31 16:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyell Wolf
Thomas Gore wrote:
Hi OP. I recall your name but can't remember if it was you stealing my site or me stealing yours. Sorry if I stole from you, expect me to do it again if we meet at the same site :D


I do remember you. You entered the same site I was doing (The name of the complex eludes me) and attempted to race to the end. However, I do not believe you were able to obtain the item as I would have remembered that and given you a bounty bigger than one million.

However, I may have my persons mixed up. All the same, you have never succesfully taken from the same site as one I was running.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-12-31 17:00:57 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.


that makes no sense.


Attack the next frigate that becomes a valid target to you....please post what you learned afterwards.


You know how gates work?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#15 - 2012-12-31 17:22:49 UTC
I don't consider it stealing. Basically, those sites are out there. And everyone has to put effort into it to fly them. And if i scan down a site, i want to fly it. And if someone else has scanned it out before me, i will contest it. I didn't spend 5 minutes per system to be like 'Oh, i'm so sorry i warped in onto you, have a good day sir!'. And i will try to show him that i can run the site more efficient, and that i can probe the sites down as fast as he can. So he will be like '**** you, i'm out, can't get any loot from here anyways'.


EVE is PvP, unless you stay docked and spin your ship. And even there is competiton.
Ginger Barbarella
#16 - 2012-12-31 19:52:56 UTC
It ain't stealing at all. If you lose it to another player you clearly did something wrong. Cool

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#17 - 2012-12-31 22:58:55 UTC
dexington wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
...in a crappy frigate they are afraid to shoot.


that makes no sense.


Attack the next frigate that becomes a valid target to you....please post what you learned afterwards.


You know how gates work?



Yep, but I'm doubtful that you do. I think you assume I can't use tactics to kill your exploration ship with the same frigate I steal with and need logi backup?...or maybe you think there is no way to carry spare keys for the locked ones and use d-scan to see if the overseer has been popped in the room the Tenjew is in? What am I missing here? Please entertain us with a "How pocket gates work" guide.
Lord Okinaba
Aliastra
#18 - 2013-01-01 23:52:03 UTC
No. You don't own the site in the first place. So it can't be considered stealing.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-01-02 05:51:44 UTC
You haven't done exploration until you've had an unsolicited Tengu warp into the same site as you Smile

If I warp to a site and someone else is already running it, I'll extend some common courtesy and wish them good luck and move on.*

If I'm in a site and someone else comes in, they are most welcome to try and beat me to the loot, may the best man win. If the wreck turns white for them and yellow for me, I'll try taking the loot and they better be prepared to shoot me if they want it.

* This does not apply to the special snowflakes who think Lookouts are for mining. Seriously, go find a grav or an asteroid belt or something. Shoo.
DSpite Culhach
#20 - 2013-01-02 07:05:32 UTC
I have found some of the eve mechanics amusing from day one.

I've had people warp in to a missions that started salvaging. I said "hello" no response. I've made the wrecks blue and said "you can have them you know" and he still just salvaged. I've had people order me to give them mission loot, obviously trying to trap me into maybe shooting so they can bring backup ... just the other day one mate got killed in a mission Dominix in 0.9 space, and he's still not sure what he did to stop CONCORD showing up, I looked up the Dirt Nap Squad corp/alliance and most of their high kill players are only killing mission ships in hisec all the time, including Navy Ravens and Golems.

To me, THAT is stealing. That crap was on my ship to start with :)

Complexes? What's in there isn't yours, it belongs to the NPC's, you;re trying to steal it from THEM. If another player does it faster, well, there's no honor amongst thief's.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
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