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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2012-12-31 01:43:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I don't imagine the writers would be irresponsible as to tell botters they're going to be caught, BUT I'd love to see what what have on -A-. Maybe one of the guys that joined PL can tell us about what happened.

~Fair and balanced~ just enough to not cover anything bad that happens to -A-.

I don't think anyone cares now. Certainly not up north.

-A- can sit in NPC null and moan about blobbers all they want.


Don't forget blues and techmoons those must be moaned about as well or they'll feel left out.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-12-31 01:44:42 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it


Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.


exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in. Straight
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#103 - 2012-12-31 01:45:32 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
We action against botters and RMTers based on actual empirical evidence provided to us by the EVE servers.

Aha! The injection happens on the client side as per the exposé! If you're looking for evidence on the EVE servers, then it just goes to show that, once again, "the surest sign of a conspiracy is a complete lack of evidence."

/ship_toasting

Oh ho, I think I get what you're ... getting at.

The logs, they show nothing?

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Hannah Flex
#104 - 2012-12-31 01:45:45 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give


Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#105 - 2012-12-31 01:47:36 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I don't imagine the writers would be irresponsible as to tell botters they're going to be caught, BUT I'd love to see what what have on -A-. Maybe one of the guys that joined PL can tell us about what happened.

~Fair and balanced~ just enough to not cover anything bad that happens to -A-.

I don't think anyone cares now. Certainly not up north.

-A- can sit in NPC null and moan about blobbers all they want.

Don't forget blues and techmoons those must be moaned about as well or they'll feel left out.

Blobs, blue lists, tech, local, supercaps, newbies in frigates...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#106 - 2012-12-31 01:48:25 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give

Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.

Now now, no one on EN24 would EVER make up things to manufacture a sensationalist story that would be linked to in EVEO General discussion ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xenuria
#107 - 2012-12-31 01:50:41 UTC
Montolio, the train is on it's way...

Choo! Choo!

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-12-31 01:52:07 UTC
rofl horus

rofl en24

rofl gd posting monkeys

why do i follow all this **** again? i seriously need to get a life...

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Frying Doom
#109 - 2012-12-31 01:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Hannah Flex wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give


Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.

They are a news site show me one in the world that does not like to be given credit for something that they have done, it increases their reader base.

Oh and I must have missed the previous posts where "Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact."
I mean there are statistics but not announcements of the number of botters banned after they close an investigation. It is on thing law enforcement does all over the place to act as a deterant to others, show their successes.

That team does a great job don't get me wrong.

But anyway we are missing the basic fact and getting off the track that botters deserve a ban hammer.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-12-31 01:57:01 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in. Straight


For one to fix all of this we can all stop reading en24. For two maybe CCP should give us a big announcement with fireworks, fanfare, and explosions about botters being banned. I think security through obscurity is a bad idea too but its the only thing we have right now that works. And until we find something better its what stays, if you want to change this now's a good time to start a threadnaught about something more useful than removing local or other bad ideas.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#111 - 2012-12-31 01:57:18 UTC
I gotta say, going from "trash eve news site implies botting in hbc" to "ban them all, theyre trying to nurf mah level 4s" has got to be the most impressive stretch of stupidity I have ever seen.

I wonder how some people don't suffocate from forgetting to breathe. I am literally saddened by this thread.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-12-31 02:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Frying Doom wrote:

Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.


Isn't knowing you improved the game by destroying a bunch of botters enough? Man and I thought highsec people were the most entitled.

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riverini
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-12-31 02:02:26 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it


Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.


exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in. Straight


I first broke the "core ****" to Sreegs early in December.

The tip was more or less like this:
- Check out Blood and Sands
- Gummi Worm ****
- TEST / PL might be involved.

Yet I promised him the full exposure after we were done with the article, we had sent the full logs past Wednesday.

Regarding CCP Sreegs telling us to that we should have waited for him to act might be too much for us. We gave him a heads up, we sent the logs on Dec 26th.

Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

I do disagree with CCP Sreegs saying that us "blowing the beans" would be a step back given that people would simply stop botting activity. If for him it is strictly necessary to caught the offenders "in blazing offence", then he should close shop and rethink his approach against botters.

R

RIVERINI / EVENEWS24 @evenews24
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#114 - 2012-12-31 02:03:06 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it


Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.


exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

Lets pretend for a second that all that information was handed directly over to CCP Sreegs for him to do his work. Cool. Then what? At what point will it be OK to report on this? CCP has never and will never get back with you saying, "Yo dawg, here is what I found out." Or simply a confirmation of the results of the investigation. The absolute best you can hope for is maybe, maybe CCP saying, "Our investigation on what you reported is over and no, we will not disclose those results." So any news site has only three options here at this point.

1. Wait for a very long time for what would have been news, to become ancient news that has an ever increasing chance another news site will report on it before them.
2. Report on it when they have guessed enough time has gone by. Which no one but CCP will know if enough time was enough, because only they know how deep the rabbit whole goes and how long it will take to explore it all.
3. Never say a word and keep quite about these bad things, like it never happened.

There is several tell-tale signs that something was not string the Kool-Aid if botters up and stop botting. Things like NPC kills taking a nose dive right after it was reported. I am sure there are others that we don't know about that CCP can track and such.

The only real indication, and even then it won't be for certain, is if key subjects suddenly stop logging in. Straight


QFT

Good on EN24 for publishing and the guys responsible for the article. Regardless of the actual details, the article lends credence to belief that the major sov null alliances/coalitions fund their success through illicit means.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#115 - 2012-12-31 02:04:44 UTC
riverini wrote:
Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

Aww, no scoop, so you just had to ~forge your own path~? Ok, I see how it is.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#116 - 2012-12-31 02:05:43 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
For one to fix all of this we can all stop reading en24. For two maybe CCP should give us a big announcement with fireworks, fanfare, and explosions about botters being banned. I think security through obscurity is a bad idea too but its the only thing we have right now that works. And until we find something better its what stays, if you want to change this now's a good time to start a threadnaught about something more useful than removing local or other bad ideas.

Removing local and stopping bumpers are THE issues of our (EVE) generation.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frying Doom
#117 - 2012-12-31 02:06:57 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Why is credit necessary? Credit should go to Sreegs and his team when they tell us these things after the fact.

Any nutter with MS Notepad can make 'logs' obviously CCP has much better tools that they use and do not disclose for obvious reasons. The reason for this 'breaking news' is far to obvious. Quite sad.


Isn't knowing you improved the game by destroying a bunch of botters enough? Man and I thought highsec people were the most entitled.

A third party external news site is a business like any other, they are there to provide news and attempt to make money, if not why do they all have so many ads?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#118 - 2012-12-31 02:07:36 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
I gotta say, going from "trash eve news site implies botting in hbc" to "ban them all, theyre trying to nurf mah level 4s" has got to be the most impressive stretch of stupidity I have ever seen.

I wonder how some people don't suffocate from forgetting to breathe. I am literally saddened by this thread.

Make sure you remember to breathe.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-12-31 02:09:37 UTC
riverini wrote:


I first broke the "core ****" to Sreegs early in December.

The tip was more or less like this:
- Check out Blood and Sands
- Gummi Worm ****
- TEST / PL might be involved.

Yet I promised him the full exposure after we were done with the article, we had sent the full logs past Wednesday.

Regarding CCP Sreegs telling us to that we should have waited for him to act might be too much for us. We gave him a heads up, we sent the logs on Dec 26th.

Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

I do disagree with CCP Sreegs saying that us "blowing the beans" would be a step back given that people would simply stop botting activity. If for him it is strictly necessary to caught the offenders "in blazing offence", then he should close shop and rethink his approach against botters.

R


So why do you feel the need to help botters by letting them know CCP may be onto them?

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Fallacies
Doomheim
#120 - 2012-12-31 02:11:01 UTC
I felt a disturbance in the Force. Allow me to enlighten thee...

ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument. Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.


Please try and post without the ad hominem fallacies.

*disappears as mysteriously has he appeared*