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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2012-12-31 01:28:03 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


I'm curious how much the new AI slamed this type of bot


Not nearly hard enough.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-12-31 01:28:09 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.


This needs to be said again.


Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.


In this case the messenger deserves it they are willingly aiding known botters. We need some space justice here.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2012-12-31 01:30:08 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.


The messenger just alerted the bad guys they are being watched before CCP started watching them.
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#84 - 2012-12-31 01:31:36 UTC
So it is true, "logs show nothing"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2012-12-31 01:32:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
I'm curious how much the new AI slamed this type of bot

Not nearly hard enough.

Clearly we need to make the red plus signs shoot drones even MORE.

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Hannah Flex
#86 - 2012-12-31 01:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
DarthNefarius wrote:
Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.


If you knew anything of rmfhorus the Puppetmaster you would know that anything he says needs to be investigated and to take his word 'on faith' is to be taken for a ride. A very expensive ride.

EDIT: And clearly an agenda free-citizen like Riv would never rush anything to the presses without vetting it fully.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2012-12-31 01:32:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it

Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.

exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

You know, I don't think they honestly care about the issue.

They need ~dem readers~.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#88 - 2012-12-31 01:33:39 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.

If you knew anything of rmfhorus the Puppetmaster you would know that anything he says needs to be investigated and to take his word 'on faith' is to be taken for a ride. A very expensive ride.

Like taking a ride on a titan into an enemy blob, expensive ride?

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-12-31 01:34:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it

Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.

exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

You know, I don't think they honestly care about the issue.

They need ~dem readers~.


True www.themittani.com has certainly claimed quite a bit of them considering the quality of en24 it really wasn't that hard.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#90 - 2012-12-31 01:34:35 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Anyway I see this thread has failed to deliver the attention the poster, and the EN24 "writer" desired. Op failure.

NEVER STOP POSITNG

yeah en24 dudes this was a bad thing to write about, you shouldn't be aiding and abetting known botters

Maybe .. they shouldn't have "posted" that "article" then.

The horror.

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-12-31 01:35:04 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I'm curious how much the new AI slamed this type of bot


It said they were all using Vargurs, so presumably not at all.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-12-31 01:35:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.


The messenger just alerted the bad guys they are being watched before CCP started watching them.


This, this, this. If I remember right it isn't the first time either. Didn't they publish a "how to: botting" guide?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2012-12-31 01:35:33 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it

Stuff like this is why en24 and its contributors lost any credibility long ago and is nothing but the personal attack vehicle of a handful of players. Riverini, Darius, Jester, Gevlon Goblin, all of them.

exactly they are literally eve fox news, they even have their own versions of hannity, rush, and that godawful warcriminal dude

You know, I don't think they honestly care about the issue.

They need ~dem readers~.

True www.themittani.com has certainly claimed quite a bit of them considering the quality of en24 it really wasn't that hard.

I don't imagine the writers would be irresponsible as to tell botters they're going to be caught, BUT I'd love to see what what have on -A-. Maybe one of the guys that joined PL can tell us about what happened.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2012-12-31 01:36:24 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Yep attack the messenger when a story is true.

The messenger just alerted the bad guys they are being watched before CCP started watching them.

This, this, this. If I remember right it isn't the first time either. Didn't they publish a "how to: botting" guide?

Yes, they did. It was a hilarious way to make an "anti-botting" statement.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#95 - 2012-12-31 01:37:01 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
I'm curious how much the new AI slamed this type of bot

It said they were all using Vargurs, so presumably not at all.

Knee-jerk overreacting nerf of Vargurs !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frying Doom
#96 - 2012-12-31 01:38:04 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.

I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give for example

We ratted these people out to CCP a month ago and then because of the information we provided 32 people were permabanned with CCP confiscating 2.1 trillion isk ect, ect,

So they don't really get that added incentive to hold of on a story, much like real life news media generally do not hold off.

So maybe like the forums processes need to be more transparent when it comes to complaints made against ISDs so to do all the other rulings, it is not after all like anyone's actual name is being used and in EvE actions are meant to have consequences, so yes it would be nice to know when you are letting someone into your cop if they have received previous punishments for RMTing or botting.

But you may feel free to now call me a nut job as I would like transparency in the process.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-12-31 01:39:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I don't imagine the writers would be irresponsible as to tell botters they're going to be caught, BUT I'd love to see what what have on -A-. Maybe one of the guys that joined PL can tell us about what happened.


~Fair and balanced~ just enough to not cover anything bad that happens to -A-.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#98 - 2012-12-31 01:41:13 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I don't imagine the writers would be irresponsible as to tell botters they're going to be caught, BUT I'd love to see what what have on -A-. Maybe one of the guys that joined PL can tell us about what happened.

~Fair and balanced~ just enough to not cover anything bad that happens to -A-.

I don't think anyone cares now. Certainly not up north.

-A- can sit in NPC null and moan about blobbers all they want.

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Xenuria
#99 - 2012-12-31 01:42:44 UTC
Exactly as planned...

CSM 12 Candidate
stoicfaux
#100 - 2012-12-31 01:43:05 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
We action against botters and RMTers based on actual empirical evidence provided to us by the EVE servers.


Aha! The injection happens on the client side as per the exposé! If you're looking for evidence on the EVE servers, then it just goes to show that, once again, "the surest sign of a conspiracy is a complete lack of evidence."

/ship_toasting

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