EVE General Discussion

It's not impossible. Especially if most of the people in the game hate going to Jita. The only people who really like Jita and don't want it to change are trade bots. Everyone else could give a ****, as long as they can get what they need. Nullsec and lowsec citizens collectively have trillions of isk. I admit, it is a part of the whole prisoner's dilemma that shapes the interactions of the game, but why can't we all see that, and fix it? We're smarter than game theory.

the problem is not in money or even time

the problem is people are a55holes,the second you start to sell stuff for lower price (lower price to attract people and create volume) in the new hub you are trying to create,you d have bunch of people buying the cheap stuff and reselling it at jita or anywhere else in high sec - even if you managed to get 50% of null sec folk (which is lets be honest unrealistic) to not sell stuff at jita the other 50% would trip you just to make quick isk off that - and remember once you stop selling at jita prices will go up and thats even more fuel to market speculation fire

building a fleet of titans is a childs play compared to making people trust your idea and actually act upon it,and its not like thousand people,you d need tens of thousands of players to make that commitment - thats such monumental task that if you managed to pull it off id vote for you becoming the jesus of new eden

For us 0.0 residents who blame all things bad on carebears, we must realize that we do this to ourselves. Hisec in its current form could not exist without our blessings, and decisions to make their lives so convenient and fruitful. Most tech 2 manufacturing and even large ship manufacturing takes place in empire, yet the amount of megacyte, morphite and zydrine required to make this possible ALL must come from nullsec. Every single t2 material that exists must be harvested and processed outside of hisec. So why do we all ferry our goods straight to the carebear capital in Jita?

We know why we do. Because everyone else does, and that's where buyers go. Sensible, logical, and efficient. Now consider this proposal. All nullsec/lowsec organizations who have an interest in making null more active shall flat out refuse to sell anything in any hisec system for at least 3 months. Put it up in a lowsec npc nullsec system near your home for around Jita prices. If one or two small corps do this, it's almost meaningless. But if one of the supercoalitions could see the potential of this change in habits, the results would be awesome for us, and ****** for hisec players.

The outcomes I see would be all good:
Lowsec and NPCNull Trade hubs around the borders of 0.0 would spring to life, presenting trade opportunities to fill the eternal demand of t2 materials in jita.

Pirates notice these trade hubs, and do their thing, possibly decreasing the supply of materials even further, through item destruction. Even better isk for the producer of said goods.

Nullsec denizens save on jump fuel from trying to clear the whole universe just to get to jita and sell to a trade bots buy orders.

Smart cookies start interregional trading routes, balancing out these lowsec/null trade hubs with materials from each major part of space, making the availablity rival jita, and closer to the outer edges of empire, moving production away from The Forge slowly but surely.

0.0 industry fixed
lowsec populated
risk vs reward realized.
delicious tears from the true carebears.

only problem i can think of is getting the supercoalitions to agree on something.

If you sell slightly below Jita prices, and people buy it to relist in Jita, you then raise prices. You're still selling it at the same rate, with less travel time. Time > the puny amount of Money you'd gain by risking 4 extra JF jumps to get to jita yourself. It benefits the producer, the trader, the speculator, the people on the fringe of empire. Even if a few entities continue to sell in Jita, they'd eventually be losing, because there'd be new trade hubs that have buy orders up for higher than Jita prices, looking for things they can't get locally. Say the north needs a bunch of vagabonds, and jita's selling fernite plates at 8k, and in akkio, which is next door to metropolis where the **** grows on trees, they're selling at 7.5k, and all the other things they need are there as well, for reasonable prices, why would you want to go to Jita, which is further away, and is now the victim of not being as supplied as it once was?

The CFHBC really is like 75% of null now. There's no reason for them to sell in Jita when the cons outweigh the pros. They've already done many things as a group that have affected markets for their own benefit. Did goons mine ice in empire during their ice interdiction? Did they sell tech to buy orders doing OTEC? Did they whine about ship losses during Burn Jita? This time the benefit wouldn't be isk, for them it would be something even better. Isk per effort. Adding on top of that the opportunity for kills in lowsec/npcnull (I know someone has to camp the lowsec trade hubs). I really do believe this idea can take hold, because there are still other trade hubs. They just need t2 components from the producers in their respective regions. Even hisec will benefit from this, just not the ones around Jita.

Many of the Null establishments rely on the T2 income to pay their Sov bills. Even Goons would be forced to cherry pick their Sov if they couldn't sell Technetium for 3 or 4 months.

None of the Null toys are worth their salt. From faction ships to officer mods to T2.

If you know you are going to be sitting in a mission hub running missions, a meta 4 fit Raven with faction Ammo is all you need. Any scenario where you will lose that Meta 4 fit Raven, the same will happen with an Officer fit Golem. From the ISK to bonus perspective, Null doesn't compete.

i'm actually quite eager to see hbc/cfc have control of null. something will have to give once everywhere is owned by one entity (give or take), and i think that'll bring about some interesting events.
i could, of course, be over optimistic and talking out of my ass. only time will tell.

lowsec. lowsec. lowsec. you cannot lose access to lowsec. you can be camped in a station pretty hard, but you can ALWAYS escape(if youre not a tard), especially if it's a trade hub. You have undock bookmarks, interceptors, covert ops, black ops, jump freighters, and all manner of tools at your disposal to never be trapped in a station. An NPC null station can be bubblecamped, this is quite different. You might need a covops alt to scout for bubbles.

we already have those (you)