Intergalactic Summit

What you should have learned from the Republic is that you do what you need to do to secure the needs of your people. That a treaty signed under duress is no sort of treaty at all and that powerful masters can be defied by weaker servants if the cost of the struggle is raised beyond the Master's wish to pay that cost.

There are direct parallels between the State's situation and the Republic's, if you but had the wit to appreciate them.

Now watch and see if we can teach you the ultimate lesson - how to achieve acceptable goals, make peace with our former enemy and grant our people peace and prosperity.

We'll see.



1. They came to do neither, I hope - but membership within the Federation eventually came to mean a subservient position and one we were unwilling to accept.

2. Was this really such a big issue? No. Witholding the resources those colonies produced was the issue. It was about money. How many people get executed for fraud?

3. And will you sneer at the orbital bombardment that followed? Regardless, the Federation punished the population of the whole planet for the actions of a few extremist madmen. And then they killed hundreds of thousands. Because we defied them.



The parallels of a stronger faction attempting to impose it's will on a weaker. The parallel of a hastily assembled ad hoc military fighting back against one of the strongest navies in New Eden using converted civilian craft. The parallel of lives sacrificed to win freedom.

Lies? Stop beleiving the propaganda you suckled at your Gallente teat along with all the economic and military aid.

Msr Tuulinen. I have left a good deal of inflammatory rhetoric unanswered.

I have tried to craft my answers without resorting to the usual litany of atrocities committed by ether side.

But this?

We have made some little progress. That should be our focus. Personal insults serve only to increase animosity.

So please show a little charity.

Apologies to both Msr Sygarius and Oniseki-haani. I'll try to avoid such obvious provocation next time.

LIes? Is your alliance with the slaver Amarr a lie? Is their aid to your corrupt government a lie? I don't think so.

Ya I am angry and I have a right to be. You should be too.

What does that even mean? I get it your rich and get other people to do the dirty work for you. Quit talking and wasting time. Get off your a*s and do something if your so powerful.

Cute listen to your own advice and do something. We are you allies not them.

There is absolutely no wiggle room on the question of owning Home.

And do note that the Caldari have tried to use diplomacy for almost two centuries with no success. This homecoming in force was inevitable.

I must do nothing of the sort.

However, what you're describing is purely tangential at this point, since it falls under the negotiable aspects of any agreement and does not have any impact on the question of Caldari Prime being sovereign State territory.

I wasn't going to answer you any further, but since you've brought some interesting points to table, I'll answer them.

I never said that the conflict beween State and Federation must be ended solely on the State's terms, but it is well known in negotiation and diplomacy that each side has a position that is their bottom line and from which they cannot back-down whilst still having the end result be mutually satisfactory. I'll refer you to the end of the Great War when the State was forced to accept a conclusion that left Home in unfriendly hands as part of a peace that was never, ever, going to hold.

I have been far more flexible and accomodating regarding secondary concerns. See Oniseki-haani's suggestions for a far more demanding opening offer. I simply said that the fate of Home was non-negotiable and that in everything else there should be wiggle room.



You clapped your hands at a suggestion that the issue be settled by the death of billions. You get what you ask for. Moreover your Empire uses Diplomacy and Negotiation because your last attempt to use naked force cost you most of your fleet and a large portion of space. The Executor used a scalpel instead of a bludgeon and achieved his objectives through the use of force which is, after all, only the pursuit of diplomacy by other means.

I contend that the Federation had demonstrated that it would not listen to Diplomacy, because it thought that the State had no other recourse. Now we have shown that this is not true, I hope for a better resolution - through Diplomacy, of course. I do not think we can FORCE a resolution on the Federation, but our use of force will hopefully bring the Federation to the table to negotiate in earnest.



I would be open to recognising anyone whose parents were born on the Planet as a citizen of the State, provided they were willing to embrace the Caldari Way and secure a proper place for themselves within the State. Anyone who does not wish to do so or lacks the necessary qualities should be repatriated to another Gallente system - with proper compensation for any *personal* property that they are forced to leave behind - perhaps with said compensation being borne equally by the Federation and the State as a gesture of amity and good faith.

The proposal you have written seems like a very sensible one to me, Captain Oniseki. However, it leaves unanswered an issue which at least in my view is a very important one: The Caldari means of access to their homeworld.

To my mind, any peace agreement which forces the Federation to allow foreign traffic through its sovereign space, thereby denying us the right to close our borders if we should wish to do so, is unthinkable.

To amend this, I propose that you expand your proposal to include the construction of a new stargate in the proximity of Caldari Prime - within the borders of the Caldari zone of control you describe - linking it directly to the rest of Caldari space. This would allow the Caldari access to their homeworld while leaving the Federation's sovereignty over its own space inherently intact.

The respective Federal and Caldari sovereignties within Luminaire should also remain absolute, and the border separating them, inviolate. To ensure that our two empires remain segregated from each other, direct, in-system travel between the two homeworlds should be absolutely prohibited.

Msr. Belfeur. I sincerly appreciate your contribution and am encouraged to see that you agree a solution to this conflict is possible. However as a business man I don't see how keeping the Caldari home world (Luminaire VII) segregated from the larger system can end well. While I agree that the sovereignty issues within the system should be "absolute" regarding military or police entities, surely only through interaction can eventual understanding be possible. After perhaps a short cooling off period.

A sensible solution Ma'dame Oniseki. I have to admit having a "direct link" between the greater State and a potential State enclave surrounding Caldari Prime would be discomforting and unacceptable to most. Perhaps after a decade or two of peace, who can say.