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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-12-28 14:30:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.


I'd like to pay to circumvent all the fitting restrictions. Doomsday rookie ships FTW.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
DEFIER ORILIS
Defiance Eden Initiative
#22 - 2012-12-28 14:31:36 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.


Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!


When you have Titan 5 in all four races, you can complain about Perception/Willpower being a useless remap. Until then, STFU.


DANG! You are my inspiration. Can I be in your corp now that you have Titan 5 in all four races, We will win together. Thx for your great post.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-12-28 14:33:14 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.


Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!


When you have Titan 5 in all four races, you can complain about Perception/Willpower being a useless remap. Until then, STFU.


DANG! You are my inspiration. Can I be in your corp now that you have Titan 5 in all four races, We will win together. Thx for your great post.


No, you can't. your hair looks very greasy, and we don't allow that kind of thing.

Am i doing this trolling thing right? Sometimes I can't tell.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2012-12-28 14:40:57 UTC
Quote:
No, you can't. your hair looks very greasy, and we don't allow that kind of thing.

Am i doing this trolling thing right? Sometimes I can't tell


You're doing fine, better than he is actually.

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Abu Tarynnia
Kings-Guard
#25 - 2012-12-28 14:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Abu Tarynnia
Tippia wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.


I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?!
And besides .. what do game mechanics and remaps have to do with eachother ? All I say is let me pay PLEX for remap or for a bunch of SP ... this shouldn't have a great impact on the game as changing the mechanics of the game.

YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!!
Frying Doom
#26 - 2012-12-28 14:45:55 UTC
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.


I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?!

You can buy Plex with RL money and also isk.

So same thing really.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-12-28 14:48:42 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
EVE is not about limitation, it is about expansion.


No eve is about choices and their consequences ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Abu Tarynnia
Kings-Guard
#28 - 2012-12-28 14:49:30 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.


I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?!

You can buy Plex with RL money and also isk.

So same thing really.


Nope because in order to buy them with ISK someone has buy them with RL money .. they just don't fly in from hyperspace. So PLEX = RL money. ISK != RL money. For RL money I should be able to pimp my char.

YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2012-12-28 14:50:20 UTC
You can already buy characters with isk

I like the planning, limitations and decision-making involved in character training process. Because of that I can feel satisfaction for my characters :)

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Abu Tarynnia
Kings-Guard
#30 - 2012-12-28 14:52:23 UTC
Roime wrote:
You can already buy characters with isk

I like the planning, limitations and decision-making involved in character training process. Because of that I can feel satisfaction for my characters :)



I don't want to buy Chars with ISK I want to buy SP / remaps with RL-money e.g. PLEX

YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2012-12-28 14:57:00 UTC
Poor baby, you can't.

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Rusty Waynne
Rusty Waynne Corporation
#32 - 2012-12-28 15:01:12 UTC
Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.

A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.
Frying Doom
#33 - 2012-12-28 15:03:22 UTC
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.


I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?!

You can buy Plex with RL money and also isk.

So same thing really.


Nope because in order to buy them with ISK someone has buy them with RL money .. they just don't fly in from hyperspace. So PLEX = RL money. ISK != RL money. For RL money I should be able to pimp my char.

But if it is true capitalism at work could I then buy plexs with real money to have your character deleted or reduced in SP and remaps?

Oh and Actually plexs do just fly in. You give your real money for something hypothetical that does not really exist and that others trade for imaginary money (isk)

So while you have the ability to pay real money to buy an imaginary object people have the ability to buy an imaginary object with imaginary money. It is more the value of imaginary money involved that values a PLEX rater than the amount of real life money.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2012-12-28 15:04:04 UTC
Rusty Waynne wrote:


A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.



That is a trolling opinion without any stated reasons or justifications.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frying Doom
#35 - 2012-12-28 15:04:13 UTC
Rusty Waynne wrote:
Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.

A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.

It is a very simple concept.

Think before you act.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2012-12-28 15:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
EVE is about Freedom of choice.
Ignoring core mechanics is not part of those choices. In the cases it is, it falls pretty much straight into the category of “exploit”.

Abu Tarynnia wrote:
I was talking of PLEX ... these cost RL money. ISK .. who is talking of ISK ?!
You are. It doesn't matter if it's PLEX or ISK (if anything, it's even worse if it's PLEX, but since you can get your hands on those with ISK it's largely the same). The fact remains: you're paying to bypass core game mechanics. That's makes it an inherently horrible idea that belongs in a fucktarded P2W Facebook game.

Rusty Waynne wrote:
Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.

A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.
Not really, no. A year-long cool-down means you have to plan ahead and that there are consequences for your actions. It is pretty much completely in the vein of EVE and consistent with all the other choices the game offers. It's rather sensible actually.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#37 - 2012-12-28 15:05:38 UTC
Rusty Waynne wrote:
Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.

A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.


I already provided you with a perfectly valid lore reason why this makes sense.
DEFIER ORILIS
Defiance Eden Initiative
#38 - 2012-12-28 15:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Defier Orilis
In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.

- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice.
- Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-12-28 15:06:51 UTC
Rusty Waynne wrote:
Naw. They should just significantly reduce the cool down timer on it.

A 365 day cool down is pretty damn stupid and makes little sense.



A 365 day cooldown is a work of transcendant genius.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2012-12-28 15:07:39 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
In fact, Remaps should not exist. It should be a + and - choice at anytime while your skills are paused.

- You should be free to remap your attributes at anytime. My body, my clone, my attributes, my choice.
- Game mechanics and ISK should have nothing to do with my attribute remap choices other than ISK allows me to buy my skills and game mechanics allows me to use my learned skills.
So what you're actually asking for is the complete removal of attributes.

No.