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I wonder where these 'conspiracy theory' types come from?
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#21 - 2012-12-27 20:29:23 UTC
People begin conspiring as soon as they can talk. If you don't believe in conspiracies, you are prey.

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Mildew Wolf
#22 - 2012-12-27 21:17:13 UTC
to speak is to lie--to live is to collaborate

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#23 - 2012-12-28 01:11:27 UTC
[tinfoil]All conspiracy theoriests are Goon alts trying to ruin EVE for the rest of us [/tinfoil]

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Sir Diablos
Requiem Knowledge
#24 - 2012-12-28 01:17:00 UTC
From the precedence laid before them.

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Ryuji Takemiya
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-12-28 02:01:09 UTC
Because CCP and CFC are very close to looking like the same thing in the shape and positioning of their letters.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-28 02:05:52 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

It's called "highsec" and CONCORD are the camp guards.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#27 - 2012-12-28 03:02:43 UTC
Fact is, Goonswarm is actually an FBI/CIA-front.

I have that from a trustworthy source that obviously cannot be named, but if you think about it, it makes perfect sense!

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-28 03:12:09 UTC
I can't really be mad. They are the only likes I received for Christmas, both ingame and RL.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#29 - 2012-12-28 03:22:46 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Fact is, Goonswarm is actually an FBI/CIA-front.

I have that from a trustworthy source that obviously cannot be named, but if you think about it, it makes perfect sense!


Once upon a time there was this guy who spent days wandering hisec systems alerting everyone that EVE is a CIA project.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
iskflakes
#30 - 2012-12-28 03:28:30 UTC
There is at least one example of CCP directly helping a particular player group, BOB. There was a developer who gave them loads of extremely valuable T2 BPOs, in today's money that's hundreds of billions of ISK. This was discovered by a player who did a great investigation. When he revealed the details CCP's response was to ban all his accounts, and ban anybody who mentioned his name or website for the next several years, and to setup an internal group to investigate developer misconduct. Since then it has been obvious that CCP are not entirely neutral when it comes to events ingame.

The other major example of CCP directly influencing player politics occurred during the war between Goons and Raiden. Goons were losing the war and their members were getting angry, so CCP devs fast-tracked nerfs to make sure goons won, as they were afraid of losing subscriptions. Raiden is now a husk of an alliance that rents from HBC or something like that, and goons continue to keep a large base of active subscriptions to threaten CCP with should they ever start losing again.

Most other conspiracy theories are nonsense.

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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#31 - 2012-12-28 03:34:00 UTC
A conspiracy implies that there is something secretive going on.

The CSM list is no secret. As expected, they operate to represent the interests of their chosen alliances.

These being:

Against All Authorities - nullsec alliance
xXLegion of DeathXx - nullsec alliance
Test Alliance Please Ignore - nullsec alliance
The Honda Accord - nullsec alliance
Dirt Nap Squad - nullsec alliance
Brick Squad - nullsec alliance
Pandemic Legion - nullsec merc group
Noir Mercenary Group - take a guess
Late Night Alliance - FW themed alliance
Ivy League - mostly hisec, devoted interested in helping new players
K162 Alliance - ???
Rooks & Kings - ???

And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not.

With that in mind the word "conspiracy" seems a bit melodramatic, would you not say? After all, this is all public information, free for anyone to see and their goals should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. So no, there is no conspiracy or hidden agenda. Rather, there is a very open & obvious agenda that is not in any way hidden from anyone.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2012-12-28 03:39:40 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
There is at least one example of CCP directly helping a particular player group, BOB.

....

The other major example of CCP directly influencing player politics occurred during the war between Goons and Raiden. Goons were losing the war and their members were getting angry, so CCP devs fast-tracked nerfs to make sure goons won, as they were afraid of losing subscriptions. Raiden is now a husk of an alliance that rents from HBC or something like that, and goons continue to keep a large base of active subscriptions to threaten CCP with should they ever start losing again..

Good job.

Everyone sees what happened as long as they have some comprehension ability.

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iskflakes
#33 - 2012-12-28 03:41:38 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not.


This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me?

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iskflakes
#34 - 2012-12-28 03:44:03 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Everyone sees what happened as long as they have some comprehension ability.


Indeed. Goons are losing the war. Goon CEO (also chairman of the CSM) complains VERY loudly to CCP about titans (Raiden). Goon CEO threatens to tell his members to unsubscribe some accounts if nothing is done. CCP respond immediately with an excessive titan nerf. Raiden folds days later. That is literally what happened.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2012-12-28 03:44:33 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not.

This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me?

Because evil blobbers only fight when they have a larger blob.

Uh wait. Hmm

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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#36 - 2012-12-28 03:51:32 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me?


This I cannot explain.

However, I would theorize that since hisec is made up of many individuals operating either solo or in (relatively) smaller companies, that getting them to line up into a voting block is akin to the proverbial metaphor of "herding cats." Meanwhile, the feudal nature of nullsec and it's alliance structure creates larger effective voting blocks. In short, when the Mittani says "Make this guy into a CSM" then that guy gets 100% of the Goonswarm vote. Hisec lacks that sense of unity. But then, maybe that's what we like about it? More variety? Or simply more freedom?

Again, this is just a theory. I am not a political science major.

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Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-12-28 04:03:31 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Fact is, Goonswarm is actually an FBI/CIA-front.

I have that from a trustworthy source that obviously cannot be named, but if you think about it, it makes perfect sense!


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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-12-28 04:07:20 UTC
burn jita was an inside job
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2012-12-28 04:08:10 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
burn jita was an inside job

I saw them undocking from Jita 4-4, it makes perfect sense.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#40 - 2012-12-28 04:12:24 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
burn jita was an inside job


Clearly.

Freighter 7 exploded without even someone shooting it, and there were reports saying it exploded before it actually did.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi