Player Features and Ideas Discussion

tech 3 frigs are a good idea but i would love tech 3 dessys too :P

I looked up lug nut in the dictionary and saw your name...

i try not to share my thoughts with people, who possess toxic levels of auto-pessemism.

that mindset mostly just ruins what potential "is" available in the world.
and destroys reasonable accomplishments, before they even have a chance to begin.

not that i am condemning you.
but it would be gainful, if you stopped poisoning yourselves.



despite my hesitation to get involved with the wrong kind of attitudes,
i feel that i must further contribute to the subject, of some of my hopes and dreams.




1:
i mainly want ships with interchangible subsystems.

as an incomplete substitute, for deeper/broader options, of leverage customization,
of a ships skills and mechanical values.
which is something that i am disappointed, was not a larger part of the game, a long time ago.

what can be done with equiped modules, is not as complex as i could want.
especially since skills are not equipable, outside of a subsystem.


i am less interested in having a larger total pool of leverage/tankability/DPS,
and more interested in having more choices, towards my ships exact set of skills/attributes.



2:
the developers would have to change the balance of tech 3 cruisers at some point,
no matter what else they change about the game.

the current implementation of tech 3 cruisers, was to provide a starting point for player testing.
it was a step one, that will eventually be followed by a step two.



3:
the developers may "have" to release further tech 3 ships, to form a better idea, of how to balance tech 3 ships in geneal.
such that tech 3 cruisers might stay stuck in their current implementation, "unless" further tech 3 ships are released.
even if other tech 3 ships get released, before tech 3 cruisers are rebalanced.

and not releasing a smaller number of tech 3 ships, could unconstructively inhibit the further development,
of a larger number of tech 3 ship releases.

in other words, if the ball is not kept rolling, the ball might get stuck or forgotten.

such that releasing a few more temporarily watered down tech 3 ships, might be a lesser evil,
than doing nothing, due to uncertainty.

and due to mighty unwaivering pessemism.
which is just one aspect, of the wrong kind of attitude.



4:
tech 3 ships are supposed to have overall more power, than tech 2 ships.
but nobody said "how much" more power they have to possess.

tech 3 ships do not have to be so much more powerful,
that people associate them,
with eve onlines equivalent of munchkin-ism

it would be bad for people to permanantly disagree with each other, over this concept,
when the tech 3 ships that are currently released, are just a beta of tech 3 ships in general.


nobody said that all future tech 3 ships have to be,
like current tech 3 cruisers are now.



5:
the developers might have to release many more tech 3 ships,
before it is reasonable to release tech 3 equipment,
on a general level.

nobody can agree on everything.
but unconstructive unending dispute, does not deserve to badly stall the march of progress.

they likely could not release the jove at all, until tech 3 stuff is far more distributed.
because the jove appear to be what tech 4 was long ago meant to be based off of.

please do not hate the jove, just because tech 3 cruisers are beta.



6:
it is important to remember, that since the game is mainly made of computer code,
that hundreds of thousand of different design decisions, could be made.

the only implementations that are patched into the game,
are not required, to be your personal nightmare come true.

i don't even want most of you to have nightmare game experiences.
i just want more ship customization options.
instead of just more ships.



7:
this last one was added as a freebie, to get you addicted.

when you stop trying to get ingrates to see you as being a dignified person,
your life becomes several times easier.

i am mainly here because NCsoft closed city of heroes, instead of aion.

if you want someone to punish, punish the release of guid wars 2.
in order to further drive down their stocks.

i call amarr/caldari side the axis of evil.
and i call gallente/minmatar side the axis of frenchbread and malt liquer.

i would have thought T3 smalls would have been a natural (and inevitable) progression, but i doubt we will see them anytime soon and nagging for them will just get u shouted down in every thread u make.

u may not care about balance or the specifics of the ships capabilities but a lot of ppl do. when the time comes to start thinking about T3's they'll likely be the most scrutinised changes/additions of all the ships in Eve.

this is the what ppl are trying to get across to u. ur jumping the gun simply because u want a ship, but neglecting to address what impact that ship may have on the rest of the sandbox.




wtf? did u basically just say 'i'm not wrong, the world is wrong'? it could be argued more 'ruin' has come from ppl who rush into ideas without thinking them through.

1. fine, but it needs to be balanced
2. fine, but it needs to be balanced, and current T3's are beyond a testing stage
3. ships are balanced against ships that do the same or similar jobs. so T3 cruisers would need to be balanced against the cruisers and command cruisers they perform against, as well as up scaling against future T3's. it makes much more sense (to me) to balance them against existing ships first and then create the new ships. that way we wont be balancing things twice or even three times.
4. Tech 3 ships are supposed to be the most versatile/customizable. to make them the best at every job all at once just makes an overpowered all in one i-win ship. this is what i would say needs to change.
5. What would tech 3 modules even be like? and what would tech 4 even be? are ppl talking about just making more and more powerful equipment? i dnt think that is the intention of CCP, and why would they ever release jove ships of any value?
6. fine, but it needs to be balanced
7. i dnt even...

CCP is officially against this, although I can't find the statement atm. Between t3 already being out of balance, and frigates not being a suitable hull class for an expensive-toy type of thing, they think it's a bad idea.

Personally I think there's room for them, but t3 frigs have to be kept out of PVP at all costs. How to do that I don't know. An all-in-one exploration platform that's easier to get into the strat cruisers is great place for these, and various other forms of PVE. Running l3s, or ninja ratting in nullsec would be good roles for a ship like this. 50-75m for the hull and 10m per sub, with 3 subs I think is a good price point to go for. It'd be a cool shiny toy. However, as long as there's any chance of them entering PVP and obsoleting the many, excellent existing hulls that we've all put so much work into getting rebalanced, I don't want t3 frigs.

i like the idea of a multi purpose ship. but i dnt think they need assault ship resists, dual damage bonuses, ridiculous grid and cpu and other extreme characteristics.

i'd like to think thats where ccp are heading after seeing what future command ships vs T3's w/ command subs looks like

ships arent isk sinks...if anything, losing them is an isk source thanks to insurance.

tech3 ship are not supposed to be more powerful, they are supposed to be more flexible.
tech2 are supposed to be the top on their small niche, CCP already said they gonna fix this somehow they also said they dont like the idea of T3 frigs