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We want tech 3 frigates !

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whix
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-27 16:54:57 UTC


the only way we can expect more tech 3 ships any year soon, is if we beg and nag for them.

we are more likely to get tech 3 frigates than other classes. as they would be easier to fit into the games balance than larger ships. which also means they would be more likely to get more than 4 different types of module per subsystem.

their relative cheapness would make them more accessible to new players. (CCP has focused on catering the games new content to be accessible to noobs.)

with tech 3 frigates, it would be possible to have PvP tournaments that involve hundreds of players. where tech 3 cruisers are too expensive for most players to be interested using them for that.

players might view them as customizable remote control cars.

or might use them as a type of appearance-configurable rich mans shuttle.
which would make players that much less likely to get randomly podded in HiSec, by someone who just wanted to see if the target had good implants.

and if tech 3 frigates were implemented, than that would be a bragaining/nagging chip, in favor of asking for additional tech 3 ships.


there are many reasons to huge numbers of players, to ask CCP for tech 3 frigates.
tech 3 frigates alone could reasonably justify an entire expansion from CCP, all by themself.




CCP has been encouraging more players to move into wormhole space anyway.
which is where their building materials would be found.



i ask you as one floating chunk of space-metal to another !
to please beg and plead and nag for tech 3 frigates !
as loud an as often as possible !



Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-27 17:00:05 UTC
Awesome idea!

Let's design a very powerful ship class that is easily within training range of every newbie and that allows him to lose SP over and over and over...

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Jenavee De'amore
New LIfe corp
#3 - 2012-12-27 17:01:08 UTC
I'm not going to beg or nag for it :) But I think you've got a good idea!! Got my vote!

Jena o/
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#4 - 2012-12-27 17:03:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Sorry but nope.

T3 cruisers was a mistake, they cool, but they kill roles and usage of other ships, since t3 cruisers relase, here less recons-heavy assault ships usage on pvp and battleships - commands on pve, believe me or not people stop using normal and tech 2 frigates if CCP relase all in one tech 3 lillte ships.

Im not against good ideas but i sceptic about this.

Form other perspective ok lets do it... balance is a lie.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2012-12-27 17:06:14 UTC
Do we?

I can't really see a good place for them at the moment.

Even with the (incredibly loose) plans CCP had for them – low cost, no SP loss — they'd still not be for newbies, nor would they be particularly interesting to old players since that entire segment is shock full of ships that will do what such a frigate can offer, only better and for less ISK.
Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2012-12-27 17:08:15 UTC
Who's "we", Kimosabe? Some of us know how to do Eve, and don't need Easy Button ships to do it. Cool

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Ayx Shewma
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-27 17:09:07 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Sorry but nope.

T3 cruisers was a mistake, they cool, but they kill roles and usage of other ships, since t3 cruisers relase, here less recons-heavy assault ships usage on pvp and battleships - commands on pve, believe me or not people stop using normal and tech 2 frigates if CCP relase all in one tech 3 lillte ships.

Im not against good ideas but i sceptic about this.

Form other perspective ok lets do it... balance is a lie.


Uh.

Agreed, I think...



Talk about destroying the market for all other frigates...
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-27 17:10:01 UTC
I wouldn't expect any new ship classes (especially T3 ships) until the tiericide and rebalance are done for the existing ships.

Following that, I would like to see faction Battlecruisers - the rats have them, why can't we?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2012-12-27 17:11:06 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Sorry but nope.

T3 cruisers was a mistake, they cool, but they kill roles and usage of other ships, since t3 cruisers relase, here less recons-heavy assault ships usage on pvp and battleships - commands on pve, believe me or not people stop using normal and tech 2 frigates if CCP relase all in one tech 3 lillte ships.

Im not against good ideas but i sceptic about this.

Form other perspective ok lets do it... balance is a lie.

I think the problems you describe with the current T3 cruisers are going to be fully resolved when the rebalancing is done.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-12-27 17:11:41 UTC
Quick, get this man an arty wolf!

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#11 - 2012-12-27 17:12:40 UTC
They can't even balance T3 cruisers decently and more T3 would create more problems than they would solve. We don't need more stuff we need better balanced stuff so more current ships become viable.
Lexmana
#12 - 2012-12-27 17:21:05 UTC
Why do you think Tech 3 frigates would solve whatever problem you think you might have? The frigate class seems healthier than ever and we see much more variety on the field these days compared just a few months ago.
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-12-27 17:22:18 UTC
One frig to rule them all...
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#14 - 2012-12-27 17:24:56 UTC
whix wrote:
the only way we can expect more tech 3 ships any year soon, is if we beg and nag for them.


That's a surefire way to annoy the devs, not get them motivated to implement something so difficult to balance properly.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-12-27 17:26:34 UTC
Tech 3's are broken

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Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#16 - 2012-12-27 17:26:37 UTC
I'm down with it. Who's to say adding t3 frigates would diminish the use of other frigates? I think that risk is based on how a t3 frigate is designed and what their intended purpose is. I think they could work if implemented correctly. I think people aren't thinking outside the box. They think t3 frigate would be like a t3 cruiser. Who's to say they work the same at all? I think people think about the idea and make certain assumptions about what a t3 frigate would be and they say "no that couldn't work" because they're operating on those assumptions. Throw out the assumptions and think about it differently.

At the same time, I'm with De'Veldrin:
Quote:

I wouldn't expect any new ship classes (especially T3 ships) until the tiericide and rebalance are done for the existing ships.

Following that, I would like to see faction Battlecruisers - the rats have them, why can't we?


I don't expect to see t3 frigates anytime soon... Though I can see them fitting in. There is currently no all-in-one frigate. If you want a ship that does more than one thing at a time you're looking at a battlecruiser or maybe or a cruiser, or a very expensive t3 cruiser. Imagine a frigate that could probe and do sites and has a low skill requirement. It might actually give high sec exploration more of a purpose and more of a draw. I dunno, there's a lot of possibilities, but obviously, making it fit in without diminishing the purpose of other ships IS a concern. It doesn't mean its a bad idea all together, it just means it must be done tactfully.

+1 OP
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-12-27 17:27:57 UTC
People make suggestions like this without really thinking through for the big picture...
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-27 17:29:12 UTC
Only if it can tank sentry guns

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nop cant find it

Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#19 - 2012-12-27 17:33:51 UTC
whix wrote:
I want tech 3 frigates !


Yes, you want T3 Frings, we don't.

We want a fix for existing ships, so every ship get a viable role and not OP compared to others within the role class.

Whatever.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#20 - 2012-12-27 17:35:31 UTC
Personally I think that a T3 destroyer platform would be the ideal way to go. Currently destroyers are very limited in roles available and this (if handled properly) could lend a lot of versatility to the line up without treading on their current roles... or existing frigate or cruiser roles.

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