EVE General Discussion

well, I prefer CONCORD overlords to goon overlords.

So does that mean you don't get to complain about your industry till you can't put up outposts and until the old ones are destructible and till you cannot build supers?

In fact I bet you have no idea just how high alliance costs in null are, do you? And why should you, when everything is automatically taken care of for you by NPCs. For free.

Go look up how much to costs to install an ihub. And upgrade it. And deploy Cyno jammers and jump bridges. And TCUs. And SBUs. And how much the monthly Sov bills are. And how much a station costs. And how much they cost to upgrade.

You and most hi-seccers seem to think sov null is just Turn up, Plant flag, Collect free Technetium & Anomalies. . You're missing the titanic amount of ISK (amd effort) that's required to gain, control, upgrade and maintain space. And that's not even including what it costs to fight for it. Just to claim it costs many billions per region, and then more billions per month to keep it.

Tbh dont care how much they buff 0.0 have no intention of returning and becoming a sheep/lemming or a number in a blob

no need to nurf hisec its the main hub of eve

not everyone has the time to comit to a corp are theyer subscription fee any difrent to anyone elses?

eve is game we pay for so do what you want when you want anyone who wants you to be difrent can go f**k themselfs tbh

Your point seems to be that turning null-sec into high-sec is very expensive and potentially time consuming. And ultimately a failure. And that bothers you.

I don't think you got it right. But whats your point?

My point is pretty simple: Malcanis is talking about how expensive it is to do "things" in null sec. Things that are pretty easy to do in high sec.

In other words, he(?) is saying that setting up the infrastructure that you need in null sec to do the same kinds of things you can do in high sec for free is a frustration for him(her). And when all of that is done, and all that ISK is spent, it's still not really the same as high sec.

Am I misreading that?

edited to add that my gender questions aren't a challenge to Malcanis. Just respecting the fact that I have no idea.

You are not only misreading it, you're employing an obvious fallacy.

"People build stuff in hi-sec, therefore trying to make it viable to build stuff in nullsec as well is the same as trying to turn it into hi-sec".

"Hitler had a moustache and you're growing a moustache, therefore you're trying to declare war on Poland and conquer eastern Europe."

Imagine that all Amarr ships had a 50% hit point penalty in 0.0; correcting this wouldn't be "turning 0.0 into hi-sec", it would just be correcting an obvious and egregious imbalance, because there's nothing inherent to the concept of hi-sec that mandates Amarr ships only being worthwhile in empire and not in null.


SO: No, building stuff isn't the defining characteristic of hi-sec. What makes hi-sec hi-sec are the characteristics that are unique to it, like CONCORD.

The ability to build stuff is explicitly enabled in all areas, even W-space; but they're not properly balanced. Hi-sec has all of the advantages and none of the disadvantages, which is obviously imbalanced. You don't get to have the best stations AND multiple stations AND the stations are free AND you can't be locked out of them AND you can't lose them AND you get free NPC protection AND you can run missions from them... something has to give here.

You try to build large quanities of anything in Wormhole space and see the fact that the costs soon out weight the rewards.
Yes we can build some things in Wormholes but no way near the amounts that can be built in Null
And to top it all off Null has access to ice to power those POSs and Moon Goo to help fund those POSs. That is even before we get to the fact that in null you are no more than a few minutes from the nearest Hi-Sec market via cyno.

So NO null has not gotten the bad end of the manufacturing stick by a long run.

As I have said Player owned should be better than NPC but I think giving null huge quantities of Hi-sec minerals would just make super caps owned by every person and their dog as well as completely destroying the hi-sec markets.

I am satirically drawing a comparison between the person I was replying to and the kind of person who thinks that they're not racist, but...

There's a mindset that confuses what is with what should be. That because 0.0 sucks for activities that aren't waiting on a titan or smooshing red pluses, it's supposed to be that way. Or that it's that way because the people in 0.0 are somehow less deserving or intelligent or hardworking. Sociologists call this mindset "privilege" (As in "male privilege" or "inherited wealth privilege" - the viewpoint of someone who sees the world through the lens of their advantages without realising or admitting that they are advantaged - so they think that poor people are all poor or that women get piad less for the same work or that blacks receive harsher sentences for equivalent crimes or that 0.0ers can't even build enough ammo for themselves in their own space, let alone ships and modules because they're lazy or stupid or less deserving in the eyes of God or whatever bullshit they claim in order to deny that rebalancing is required).