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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#141 - 2012-12-27 15:17:49 UTC
This thread is really going places.

Someone shoot me a message when the **** swinging turns into some actual action, OK?

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Be careful what you wish for.

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#142 - 2012-12-27 15:21:53 UTC
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
This thread is really going places.

Someone shoot me a message when the **** swinging turns into some actual action, OK?

Haha 'action'? Rebellions against the New Order do not consist of 'action'. They sometimes make forum posts, a couple actually have websites. Nothing actually happens though.
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-12-27 15:28:34 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Yuri Wayfare wrote:
This thread is really going places.

Someone shoot me a message when the **** swinging turns into some actual action, OK?

Haha 'action'? Rebellions against the New Order do not consist of 'action'. They sometimes make forum posts, a couple actually have websites. Nothing actually happens though.


Well sometimes they do resort to violent action, but then concord comes and blows up their drake.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2012-12-27 16:24:42 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.

Either way, it's still hiding.


Please supply us with parameters for a corporation with acceptable amount of members/regions/military power and whatever else you deem necessary.

I for one will not stand for all this hiding!
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#145 - 2012-12-27 17:10:41 UTC
james,can you please start bumping harder?

we havent seen much influence of your ehm "activity" on prices

cmon start being usefull,our wallets arent flashing nearly enough

less pompous bush league talking and more pew pew pls

we are expecting results
Ayx Shewma
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2012-12-27 17:13:59 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.


And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.


Aaand...

Your point is?
Ginger Barbarella
#147 - 2012-12-27 17:17:44 UTC
Ayx Shewma wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.


And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.


Aaand...

Your point is?


Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language. Roll

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#148 - 2012-12-27 17:25:11 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Ayx Shewma wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.


And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.


Aaand...

Your point is?


Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language. Roll

No, you misunderstand him. He's asking why the fact that the New Order is hard to wardec is a bad thing.
Lexmana
#149 - 2012-12-27 17:25:21 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Ayx Shewma wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.


And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.


Aaand...

Your point is?


Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language. Roll

If you can't fight them, join them! Or buy a permit.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#150 - 2012-12-27 17:33:15 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Ayx Shewma wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.


And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.


Aaand...

Your point is?


Clearly beyond your grasp of understanding the English language. Roll


I understand just fine. Your best defense is to hit the orbit button and that's too much. You could pay them for a permit or pay gankers to run them off either way when they show up you're gonna pay someone...or hit orbit.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-12-27 17:46:47 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.

Either way, it's still hiding.


I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#152 - 2012-12-27 17:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I want you to grow your corp nice and Big so I can war dec you into Oblivion.


And that's why James315's corp consists entirely of just himself.

You'll that's a common trend with all his fellow bumptards as well. They know that if they ever had a legitimate flag of their own that they'd be wardecced so fast & hard it would make a CONCORDOKKEN look like a swedish massage. So, like any proper terrorist organization, they keep themselves all split up and divided into tiny little cells of lone individuals so that they never have to face wardec reprisals for their actions.


Military experts call that taking a successful doctrine and adapting it to your own needs, working in small cells is a highly successful method of conducting warfare that is as old as mankind itself, a prime example would be the various resistances during WW2, the nationals of Axis occupied countries used it to very good effect, as did the Allies in the African Campaigns.

It was used during the American Revolution against the British, the Boer War against the British, the Vietnam War against the Americans, and in recent history by the IRA in Ireland and mainland Britain, against the USSR in Afghanistan and is still being used there against Coalition forces (Irony right there, the people fighting the Coalition forces were mainly trained and armed by the US to fight the USSR). It is also known as Guerrilla warfare or Petty Warfare.

However you should really check your sources, from what I can see there are a significant amount of New Order pilots in one alliance, others are members of large corps & alliances and only the minority are running around in small (<10) or solo corporations.

On the whole I would say that there are many more miners in one man corps and NPC corps than there are New Order pilots, so the question that must be asked is, just who is avoiding the wardecs?

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Ginger Barbarella
#153 - 2012-12-27 17:54:33 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Or hiding in giant nullsec alliances that are blued to each other and thus fear no reprisal from anyone.

Either way, it's still hiding.


I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear?


A goonie that lives in high?!?!?!?! Say it ain't so!!! Shocked

Roll

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-12-27 17:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Wescro
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
I understand just fine. Your best defense is to hit the orbit button and that's too much. You could pay them for a permit or pay gankers to run them off either way when they show up you're gonna pay someone...or hit orbit.


Orbiting is marginally better gameplay than sitting there in a Civilian Shield Booster equipped hyper-yield Mack with lasers turned off long ago from the orehold being full. It's still not active gameplay.

Also, after a single day of bumping practice you learn to kick orbiters 40km out in under a minute. I'll outline the technique here for anyone that thinks I'm bluffing.

Get close the the orbiter (<5000m) and then set your speed to 140m/s and hit approach. You will slowly approach their ship, but not fast enough to bump it. As you get closer lower your speed to about 120m/s an then to 90m/s as you reach right up to him. At this speed, your ship will keep trying to approach the orbiter, but never quite catch up since you are both going at the same speed. You are now orbiting with him, but right behind him.

This is the trick, you are now both aligned and facing the same direction. See trying to bump an orbiter from the side makes you hit only the edge of their hitbox (if you hit them at all), which splits the vector into a forward and sideways component. Only one of those vectors is usually helpful since the other one pushes them closer to the ice. Once you are aligned, the entire bump force is applied in a single direction that is at a tangent to their orbit, in other words, they are kicked outside their orbit, and not back inside.

Once you are aligned and approaching at 90m/s. Completely stop your ship. You will still be facing him, but he will start gaining on you. Once he gets 2500m away (the magic number), turn on your Microwarpdrive and hit approach. Turn the Microwarpdrive off immediately, so that it turns off after its first cycle, and get ready to hit stop ship as soon as you make bump contact.

This should kick the orbiter at least 5km in a tangent to his current point in orbit. As soon as you make contact you must stop your ship and watch the miners distance from you. As soon as it crosses the magic number again (2500m), turn on Microwarpdrive, and click approach and repeat the process as necessary until they are in the penalty area.

Only one miner of all the miners I have ever bumped managed to defeat this technique, but he now has a permit so good luck trying to get that information.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-12-27 18:05:00 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I live in highsec 90% of the time, what's stopping you? Fear?


A goonie that lives in high?!?!?!?! Say it ain't so!!! Shocked

Roll

Those freighters aren't going to gank themselves.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
#156 - 2012-12-27 18:33:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

It was used during the American Revolution against the British, the Boer War against the British, the Vietnam War against the Americans, and in recent history by the IRA in Ireland and mainland Britain, against the USSR in Afghanistan and is still being used there against Coalition forces (Irony right there, the people fighting the Coalition forces were mainly trained and armed by the US to fight the USSR). It is also known as Guerrilla warfare or Petty Warfare.

AKA asymmetrical warfare. As a concept, it's older than Sun Tzu

“When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.”

Or, in a longer form:
“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.”

And, of course:
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

~ Sun Tzu


Seems that James 315 has been doing his homework.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#157 - 2012-12-27 18:49:32 UTC
Scrofulous Vermin wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

It was used during the American Revolution against the British, the Boer War against the British, the Vietnam War against the Americans, and in recent history by the IRA in Ireland and mainland Britain, against the USSR in Afghanistan and is still being used there against Coalition forces (Irony right there, the people fighting the Coalition forces were mainly trained and armed by the US to fight the USSR). It is also known as Guerrilla warfare or Petty Warfare.

AKA asymmetrical warfare. As a concept, it's older than Sun Tzu

“When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.”

Or, in a longer form:
“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.”

And, of course:
“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

~ Sun Tzu


Seems that James 315 has been doing his homework.

We can't defeat CONCORD.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
#158 - 2012-12-27 18:53:37 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We can't defeat CONCORD.

Nope.
But James 315 has successfully outflanked them.

Excellence!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#159 - 2012-12-27 19:05:12 UTC
Scrofulous Vermin wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We can't defeat CONCORD.

Nope.
But James 315 has successfully outflanked them.

Excellence!

Miners used CONCORD and EHP Buff. Combo successful ! It was very effective!
James 315 used Bumping ! It was mega effective !
Miners were stunned !
Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
#160 - 2012-12-27 19:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrofulous Vermin
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Miners used EVEO GD Forums whining !

Not very effective at all!

James wins!

Heh! I LOL'd. Lol