Crime & Punishment

It's really not too hard to find rocks in highsec, although you might have to contend with the botters and the AFKers on one end, and the New Order on the other. (if you didn't get a permit) It's just easier to mine in lowsec and run from the occasional pirate, than it is to plod around in a slowassed covetor mining barge in highsec, taking forever to align for a warp, looking for a belt with a low contention for ore.

Meanwhile, all of these ships being blown up in the course of this 'war' only adds to the demand for more ores and minerals. That will naturally increase prices, which puts more money in my pocket. So yeah, you could say I'm pro war on this.

Ice products surged in price, but have been drifting down again. Don't forget to add hauling costs to your calculations.

Ice Anoms are actually not absolutely horrible to mine, post-Odyssey - there's a bit of the 'derby-style' to them. Whomever gets there first, with the most efficient fit, gets the big win. You can see the 'cubes melting, so you have to move about, and frequently. When an anom gets hit hard, it only lasts about a half hour or forty minutes, so you're not going to be doing it long enough to bend your mind, either.

Plus they're decent places to find gankable targets.

You don't have to be good at pvp, just better than a miner and his hobgoblins.

This is my only real issue with New Order. If only they had a service to teach miners pvp then perhaps the active miners would leave high sec for other places and only the afk/bots would be left.

Botters: Kill them all no mercy
AFK: Bump them
Active: Teach them how to overcome their fear of low/null sec.

All they need to know they can find on Eve's premier mining website.

Well, it looks as though I'm going to have to make a stand after all.

I was doing fine for a bit. hauling and looting goods here and there. Profit has been good. Life was good. I've been shot down a couple of times while blinking yellow, but it was okay. No real losses there.

Now today, I did lose about 5 million worth of ISK in Akidagi while on a 30 hop run. Now, for a little guy like me, that kind of stings a little, but, such is EVE life. I've lost more expensive cruisers while ratting.

But alas, after losing an Omen, a Coercer, and now a Bestower in relatively short order, I've had to consider going back to dabbling in high sec mining again in order to make ends meet. However, as I check out the asteroid fields, I notice that the pickings are getting pretty slim. Okay, I'll just do more lowsec mining. No worries.

But, something is just not right.

Are the miners here really gobbling up the ore that quickly? And if so, are these miners mining legitimately? (meaning, actually playing the game) or is my home system infested with botters and AFK miners taking ISK from those of us that legitimately play the game? Then, there are more questions to be answered in regards to that ugly little word called 'griefing'.

Now, I've heard that James 315 and his New Order outfit have been referred to as griefers for their miner bumping activities. However, given the nature of EVE Online as we know it, as well as CCPs stance that the New Order's activities are considered 'emergent gameplay', it becomes pretty hard to argue that the New Order is a griefer outfit. They are the ones taking a stand against botters and AFK miners, and that is no secret. What is also no secret here is the fact that cleaning up these botters and AFK miners from highsec has a cost, since the ones doing the work of blowing away these botters are guaranteed to be concorded for their efforts. Not only are they losing hardware to CONCORD, it's also at a loss to their security statuses as well, and from what I understand, they have to turn in tags and ISK to get their security status back. I wouldn't be surprised if they lose more in one day than my entire net worth, but probably not as much as the bot miners! ;^)

But in the end, it is plainly obvious to me that in order to clear out the botters, and those mining AFK, it is in our interests as legitimate miners to help out in the New Order's efforts, be it purchasing mining permits and staying tuned to local, bumping the botters, the AFK miners, and those that refuse to help out financially for a better highsec, and finally, ganking the resisters. Finally, aren't the real griefers here the botters and the AFK miners that are trying to organize this 'resistance'? Sorry, but if you guys can **** whole asteroid fields while being away from your desks, denying me an avenue of profit, then I feel griefed. It would be one thing if the mining activity was indeed legitimate, and that it's my problem if I was too late to the harvest. But it is another thing when botters can screw people over and not even be playing the game, while actual players are harmed for doing the right thing.

Therefore, it seems that I do have a dog in this fight. But, I still can't shoot worth a damn. Nevertheless, I do believe I can have a small part in the effort. Maybe I'll go ahead and buy a mining permit, and perhaps be a shareholder as well? And maybe the New Order might come up to my neck of the woods and make life more interesting?

Okay. Just bought a mining permit and 20 shares yesterday, and I'm on my way towards Halaima now. Once I deal with some IRL issues, I'll hook up with you in game and we'll figure something out. I can help bump for a little bit before I have to head back and attend to my business.

I don't have a Stabber for bumping yet, but I do have a Thorax with a suitable micro warp drive to start with.

Highlight the text of post that you've written and copy it before you click on 'post'. If the post gets nuked, then paste your post back, and then click 'post' again. It should then post.

I know I've been burned a couple of times by that bug, but this workaround seems to work.

And who, exactly, would you be to determine what style of play is "legitimate" or not? Some characters never even leave station. Thats the great thing about this game. You can do whatever you want, including being an AFK miner or a greifer of such.

You guys make me laugh. Im not a miner, I find it boring and dull, but they have their uses. Mainly providing the market with materials to build things. Why the F*ck would I care if they are at their keyboards or not? What are they suppose to do, control the mining beam manually? What a joke.

Also, hate to tell you, but new order ARE greifers. They harass miners, and anyone unlucky enough to be in local that has to read their spammy bullsh*t. Do I think CCP should stop them?

NO.

I think the miners should grow a set, band up together, and strike (dont mine at all, do some ganking of your own to line-breakers, and watch the price of veldspar soar on the market). Once the large indy corps cant afford to operate anymore, THEY will sort out the new order, and after CCP fixes the exploit that James315 uses to avoid wardecs, (yes, closing your corp to avoid a wardec and then reopening it is an exploit), he will get his pixels turned inside out. OR mine in lowsec. New order ships die just as easily out there as you will. Even the playing field.

What each miner in eve fails to understand, obviously, is that their profession is a cornerstone. Without any mining, nothing is built. You control the very means your enemy is using to kill you!

I'm me thanks, and I'll make such a decision if I like and you or they are free to try and stop me implementing my vision, thats the beauty of eve.





I have my doubts that, despite your urging, the miners of High Sec will do anything other than moan.