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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Silus Morde
#721 - 2013-01-31 17:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Silus Morde
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Silus Morde wrote:

100 billion in a month? And in a month of a hilkageddon what was the average damage? Is the new order even on par with the damage of that?


Comparisons of the New Order of Highsec to Hulkageddon or similarly, the Gallante Ice Interdiction, while interesting, don't actually make much difference.

The New Order of Highsec exists for one reason. It is clearly stated on www.minerbumping.com.

We exist to save highsec miners from bot aspirancy by enforcing the New Halaima Code of Conduct throughout highsec.

That's it.

All talk of how effective our Knights are in terms of damage, what rebel organizations arise to attempt to thwart us, even whether shooting catalysts before CONCORD does is "beating" the New Order are merely discussions of how effective we are in reaching our goal. They themselves are not the point.

Each of the things we are compared to had goals of their own. They are not our goals. Because they blazed a path in methodology, it may appear that we are the same thing. We are not. Because they eventually died out, miners hope the New Order will too. We will not.

Each forum post that attempts to insult, demean or ridicule us means nothing. We choose where we will go, who we will bump or gank, what we will do to enforce The Code. So far, nothing has stood in our way.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Nonsense, of course it relates. If you are not measuring up and in fact exceeding what has been done in the past then you are merely a second rate act. What kind of thinking says "It doesn't matter". As far as the reason goes you are wrong - it exists not because of the code but because the gameplay mechanics allow it. I think it is cool that you are roleplaying a zealous, mindless cult of hi-sec gankers(it IS roleplay, correct?) but here in the forums you can drop your act. You are just adding roleplay frosting to what has been done before. If you are not as good as what went before then you are second rate. So, yes, it does matter how it compares.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#722 - 2013-01-31 18:19:25 UTC
I really am a zealous individual who will sooner kill every miner in Highsec than see one bot escape our wrath. I do role-play, but not as a knight of the NO, that's for real.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Silus Morde
#723 - 2013-01-31 18:30:09 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I really am a zealous individual who will sooner kill every miner in Highsec than see one bot escape our wrath. I do role-play, but not as a knight of the NO, that's for real.

Deflection, not an answer as to the comparison of the effectiveness of what has already been done as to the effectiveness of what you are doing.

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Silus Morde
#724 - 2013-01-31 18:36:23 UTC
Never mind, of course you guys will not answer, because to admit that you are not even living up to the past efforts would be a humbling experience for you. So roleplay on and pretend that you are having an effect on the bots. Fly safe.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#725 - 2013-01-31 18:36:37 UTC
Yeah, I skipped the boring parts of your post.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#726 - 2013-01-31 18:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
I think the difference between Hulkageddon and the New Order is a matter of scale, Hulkageddon was a universe wide campaign that was run on multiple fronts by a large number of people and in the case of the last one was well supported financially and advertised by Goonswarm, the New Order campaign is on a smaller scale that migrates to where it's needed, they mostly manage their own logistics and rely on the RP/Zealot aspect for ingame advertising and the minerbumping blog/forums for OOG advertising. Some external corporations are encouraging their bored pilots to help out with the campaign or are helping with the logistics side of things (they know who they are, TY guys Big smile).

If the number of individual pilots from Hulkageddon was compared to the number of individual pilots from the New Order I would say that on a per pilot basis the New Order probably scales quite well. The total damage caused may well be less but I would hazard a guess that there are far fewer pilots inflicting that damage. Bear in mind that the last Hulkageddon was pre barge buff, when exhumers and barges had less EHP than they do now.

I've just checked up, the last Hulkageddon campaign inflicted 7.23 Trillion Isk of damage during the campaign with a total of 43332 kills. The total number of pilots taking part is not listed.
Source : http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/

Edit :
As pointed out below, ganking is only one of the tools in the New Order Eve toolbox, which bizarrely enough contains exactly the same tools that everybody else has in their Eve toolbox.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#727 - 2013-01-31 18:39:03 UTC
I mean, what do you want me to say? Sorry we have so far fallen short of the largest nullsec alliance's event of a completely different nature? Ok, but it doesn't mean much.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Silus Morde
#728 - 2013-01-31 19:04:01 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
I mean, what do you want me to say? Sorry we have so far fallen short of the largest nullsec alliance's event of a completely different nature? Ok, but it doesn't mean much.

well your apology is accepted. Now stop being second rate.

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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#729 - 2013-01-31 19:44:24 UTC
Silus Morde wrote:

Nonsense, of course it relates. If you are not measuring up and in fact exceeding what has been done in the past then you are merely a second rate act. What kind of thinking says "It doesn't matter". As far as the reason goes you are wrong - it exists not because of the code but because the gameplay mechanics allow it. I think it is cool that you are roleplaying a zealous, mindless cult of hi-sec gankers(it IS roleplay, correct?) but here in the forums you can drop your act. You are just adding roleplay frosting to what has been done before. If you are not as good as what went before then you are second rate. So, yes, it does matter how it compares.


First, who you callin' mindless?

Second, my point is that you cannot compare us to Hulkageddon because we aren't trying to achieve the same thing.

The point of Hulkageddon was to destroy as many Hulks (and other exhumers) as possible. Destroying mining ships is a tactic for us. A single tactic for achieving our goal but not the ONLY one. It is as pointless to say we haven't achieved as much destruction with our ganks as to say, "well, they (the Goons) haven't bumped as many miners as we have!". Bumping miners would have been of no use in Hulkageddon. For us, it is an effective tactic.

We aren't a cult of highsec gankers. We USE highsec ganking as a tool. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking it is what we are in our entirety. The attempt to pigeon hole us as variously, gankers, extortionists, griefers, "bad" pvpers, or even brilliantly clever role players is an attempt to diminish us and our cause.

For what ever individual reasons we each have, a group has been formed that is bringing something new, something different from anything that has come before it. Similar in appearance, yes. But at its core, the New Order of Highsec and the New Halaima Code of Conduct is game changing. In fact, that IS the point of it all.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Silus Morde
#730 - 2013-01-31 19:54:27 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Silus Morde wrote:

Nonsense, of course it relates. If you are not measuring up and in fact exceeding what has been done in the past then you are merely a second rate act. What kind of thinking says "It doesn't matter". As far as the reason goes you are wrong - it exists not because of the code but because the gameplay mechanics allow it. I think it is cool that you are roleplaying a zealous, mindless cult of hi-sec gankers(it IS roleplay, correct?) but here in the forums you can drop your act. You are just adding roleplay frosting to what has been done before. If you are not as good as what went before then you are second rate. So, yes, it does matter how it compares.


First, who you callin' mindless?

Second, my point is that you cannot compare us to Hulkageddon because we aren't trying to achieve the same thing.

The point of Hulkageddon was to destroy as many Hulks (and other exhumers) as possible. Destroying mining ships is a tactic for us. A single tactic for achieving our goal but not the ONLY one. It is as pointless to say we haven't achieved as much destruction with our ganks as to say, "well, they (the Goons) haven't bumped as many miners as we have!". Bumping miners would have been of no use in Hulkageddon. For us, it is an effective tactic.

We aren't a cult of highsec gankers. We USE highsec ganking as a tool. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking it is what we are in our entirety. The attempt to pigeon hole us as variously, gankers, extortionists, griefers, "bad" pvpers, or even brilliantly clever role players is an attempt to diminish us and our cause.

For what ever individual reasons we each have, a group has been formed that is bringing something new, something different from anything that has come before it. Similar in appearance, yes. But at its core, the New Order of Highsec and the New Halaima Code of Conduct is game changing. In fact, that IS the point of it all.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable
lol, using hi-sec ganking makes you hi-sec ganking. Didn't call you mindless - said youwere roleplaying it. It isn't my fault you are caught in a poorly acted roleplay , stop being second rate hi-sec gankers. Go to role play school. Catch on to the fact that you are being trolled, stuff like that.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#731 - 2013-01-31 21:26:37 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Agent Trask wrote:
But you are still unable to prevent ganks.

Getting into CONCORD killmails is useless, as we have already written off the ganking ships.

So far, rebels have failed to prevent any ganks by their own actions.

Keep trying, though. The more you try, the less of a miner you are, and the more of an honorable PvPer you become.


Regardless if you have "written off the ganking ships", it is still a killmail.


Which is meaningless to us. We don't care if you tagged a concord kill in the slightest. If you tag concord killing catalysts and want to wave that around as some big e-peen thing then ... lol. The fact is we don't care about losing catalysts, or that you tag the killmails. And it doesn't prevent us from cleansing highsec of the violators in the slightest. Or impact us economically, since we already know the cost of our catalysts.

Basically, you're doing absolutely nothing except trying to convince yourself you've done well


If it's meaningless, then why are you arguing the point?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#732 - 2013-01-31 22:17:03 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
If it's meaningless, then why are you arguing the point?


Because, in addition to being bumpers, agents, gankers, zealots and all-round nice guys, we're educators. As my esteemed compatriot, Bing Bangboom, is fond of saying, highsec is worth fighting for.

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#733 - 2013-01-31 23:23:23 UTC
Silus Morde wrote:
lol, using hi-sec ganking makes you hi-sec ganking. Didn't call you mindless - said youwere roleplaying it. It isn't my fault you are caught in a poorly acted roleplay , stop being second rate hi-sec gankers. Go to role play school. Catch on to the fact that you are being trolled, stuff like that.



I assume you wrote this post on a computer. Therefore, "Lol, using a computer makes you a computer". There's no point in arguing with a computer, so this argument is over. As the sole human left in this argument, I declare victory for the New Order.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#734 - 2013-02-01 08:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Silus Morde wrote:
Never mind, of course you guys will not answer, because to admit that you are not even living up to the past efforts would be a humbling experience for you. So roleplay on and pretend that you are having an effect on the bots. Fly safe.


I don't understand your obsession with comparing the New Order to hulkageddon. Is it part of one of these goonspiracies?

The New Order has different goals entirely, is being done by mostly different people, etc.

Get over it, bro. The New Order is here to stay, and it has inflicted a hundred billion in damages against bots and filthy bot-aspirants. That's a success. Simple.

Estella Osoka wrote:
If it's meaningless, then why are you arguing the point?


I'm merely correcting some of the statements you made. You misunderstood some things, I helped you (and anyone else reading) understand the truth.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#735 - 2013-02-01 11:38:10 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Silus Morde wrote:
Never mind, of course you guys will not answer, because to admit that you are not even living up to the past efforts would be a humbling experience for you. So roleplay on and pretend that you are having an effect on the bots. Fly safe.


I don't understand your obsession with comparing the New Order to hulkageddon. Is it part of one of these goonspiracies?

The New Order has different goals entirely, is being done by mostly different people, etc.

Get over it, bro. The New Order is here to stay, and it has inflicted a hundred billion in damages against bots and filthy bot-aspirants. That's a success. Simple.

Estella Osoka wrote:
If it's meaningless, then why are you arguing the point?


I'm merely correcting some of the statements you made. You misunderstood some things, I helped you (and anyone else reading) understand the truth.


Say what you want, you are just trying to trivialize your losses; while magnifying your kills. That is all it really comes down to. A kill is a kill is a kill. No matter how you try to rationalize it.
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#736 - 2013-02-01 14:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Eunoli
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I've just checked up, the last Hulkageddon campaign inflicted 7.23 Trillion Isk of damage during the campaign with a total of 43332 kills. The total number of pilots taking part is not listed.
Source : http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/

Your source is showing inflated numbers since it hasn't stopped counting. If you read the 'latest' kill, as of Feb 02 2013 at around 14:10 EVE time, it happened on 2013-02-01 10:14:00 and it happened in low sec. In other words, the counter is still counting LONG after Hulkageddon ended and the scope of what it counts is larger than just Highsec.

Further, not every single kill during Hulkageddon was done because of Hulkageddon as evidenced by the continuing and on-going ganking of mining ships throughout the year. Hulkageddon certainly created a spike in kills but it was not the cause of every single one although every single that kill happened during Hulkageddon was counted.

Hulkageddon lasted for a month.

In that month Hulkageddon did inflict more damage in terms of straight up ISK than the New Order of Highsec did in January. In term of pure ganking the New Order of Highsec still isn't where Hulkageddon 5 achieved. In the very first Hulkageddon there was a total of 66 exhumers killed and 22 mining barges. So, 88 kills.

If you are going to attempt to do a comparison please use correct information.

The New Order of Highsec is still in its nascent form. The organization continues to grow and to build.

While I appreciate the comparison to Hulkageddon V I think it is important to keep perspective on it.

Finally, the New Order of Highsec uses other methods beyond ganking to achieve its goals. These methods do not result in kill mails.

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#737 - 2013-02-01 15:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
While I was unaware that the hulkageddon killboard was still counting exhumer kills, I was not the person who brought up the comparison. I merely provided some data about hulkageddon and did acknowledge that ganking is only one of the tools that the New Order uses.

My bad Oops, I shall go and indulge in some self flagellation and mental torture, by breaking out my mining barge and mining in an asteroid belt that has been semi-depleted by some multiboxer running 4 Hulks and an Orca.Bear

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#738 - 2013-02-02 20:55:17 UTC
Miner Bumping Party to celebrate our countless victories!
Sunday, February 3rd at 21:00 EVEtime, in Brapelille (Sinq Laison).
Bring your favorite bumping ship! Bring your friends and family! Bring Festival Launchers and Fireworks! Snacks and refreshments are provided! Disgruntled rebel miners are welcome too!
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Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#739 - 2013-02-02 21:05:46 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Miner Bumping Party to celebrate our countless victories!
Sunday, February 3rd at 21:00 EVEtime, in Brapelille (Sinq Laison).
Bring your favorite bumping ship! Bring your friends and family! Bring Festival Launchers and Fireworks! Snacks and refreshments are provided! Disgruntled rebel miners are welcome too!


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#740 - 2013-02-03 14:30:54 UTC
I'm gonna referee the first ever MinerBall game.

It shall be glorious.

Maybe we can even get a league started.

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