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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#581 - 2013-01-18 08:19:17 UTC
If you want to resist just get your butts into a tanked Skiff, sorted, done, finished...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#582 - 2013-01-18 08:36:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
If you want to resist just get your butts into a tanked Skiff, sorted, done, finished...

Too much effort for an AFK miner, and it sacrifices too much yield. They also have to return more frequently to empty the hold...

Good idea, but it's been suggested before Big smile
Syaran
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#583 - 2013-01-18 10:21:15 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Their code says that whoever is mining and doesn't have a permit is breaking the code thus they can pass judgement and kill them.

Its a code written so that they didn't have to, god forbid, think. James wrote it in such manner that his minions could just line up their scope and shoot. But, this is hilarious, they actually make mistakes and shoot the people that have permits. This shows what kind of pawns James gathers around him. They do not think, they do not question, he just points and they pull the trigger. James did predict this and added that the miners that did have permit but got shot down anyway are reimbursed. Even he knew they could not follow a code that can't be much simpler than what it is nowBig smile


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but unless I missed something in reading all the pages up until now you've not offered a single shred of evidence that these people are actually killing permit holders or even doing anything apart from what they claim to be doing? As the accuser, the burden of evidence falls to you, not the defendant.

(And while we're at it, the Big smile smiley is not a valid form of punctuation. I'm not going to tell you how you can or cannot write, but if you would like to be taken seriously I would suggest not using it every single paragraph...)

In general I approve of this initiative. People need to be taught that EVE is not a safe and cuddly place. I too am sometimes silly enough to believe I can get away with something, but thankfully someone usually manages to stop by and teach me the error of my ways ;)
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#584 - 2013-01-18 11:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Emperor Crash Zues
Dracvlad wrote:
If you want to resist just get your butts into a tanked Skiff, sorted, done, finished...

Forget that. Phffft. There are two better methods that have been working better. And as I fly around these NO systems I see it actually happening. 1. Get your single minner butts into a player corp and when you mine join a group with protection. I have seen more and more of this plus I've been accused of being an gankster cause I flew into an Ice field flying the same type of ship NO has been using to enforce this pathetic code. You know how hard it is to convince a Dom and 3 cruisers that you aren't an agent or knight of the order. Anyway 2. Stop mining for just a little while get your corp m8 's together and go hunting in the areas you know they will show up in. Like earier this morning technically eve time we were chaseing NO players in Tolle and the adjacent systems trying give justice to those they killed unjustly didn't catch any cause they were more interested in hiding a station. Lol all 4 of them heck even insulting and mocking there code wasn't enough to bring them out of there holes. And while in Jas we found out a very interesting fact one of the NO alt doesn't follow there own code nothing on her bio say that she bought a permit to mine as is requaired by the code. So if the code makers own word don't follow there own rules then why should the rest of us.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#585 - 2013-01-18 11:28:10 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If you want to resist just get your butts into a tanked Skiff, sorted, done, finished...

Forget that. Phffft. There are two better methods that have been working better. And as I fly around these NO systems I see it actually happening. 1. Get your single minner butts into a player corp and when you mine join a group with protection. I have seen more and more of this plus I've been accused of being an gankster cause I flew into an Ice field flying the same type of ship NO has been using to enforce this pathetic code. You know how hard it is to convince a Dom and 3 cruisers that you aren't an agent or knight of the order. Anyway 2. Stop mining for just a little while get your corp m8 's together and go hunting in the areas you know they will show up in. Like earier this morning technically eve time we were chaseing NO players in Tolle and the adjacent systems trying give justice to those they killed unjustly didn't catch any cause they were more interested in hiding a station. Lol all 4 of them heck even insulting and mocking there code wasn't enough to bring them out of there holes. And while in Jas we found out a very interesting fact one of the NO alt doesn't follow there own code nothing on her bio say that she bought a permit to mine as is requaired by the code. So if the code makers own word don't follow there own rules then why should the rest of us.

I shall attempt to answer each of your points separately, although it would help if you could at least split them up into their own sentences, if paragraphs is too much.

Protection really isn't all that effective against us, unless we're talking 50k EHP tanks on a skiff. Its great that you've got a shooty ship orbiting the asteroid next to you, but we expect to lose our ships anyway when we engage a miner, and we spend maybe 0.5 seconds out of warp before we engage the miner. Even worse, we often target the protectors themselves, and they find themselves losing ships that can be worth considerably more than the exhumers would have been.

Congratulations that you sat outside a station and shat all over Local, but you didn't achieve much. If you're talking about the incident that I think you're talking about, the Knights were on GCC anyway and achieved a successful gank within five minutes of GCC expiring.

Finally, all New Order mining alts do own mining permits, and if you have reason to believe that one doesn't, report the name to me and I'll sort it out. Not all New Order mining alts have declarations in their biographies, because that isn't required by the Code, it is merely helpful when an Agent is identifying permit-holders. Since New Order mining alts are generally known personally by Agents, the bio note is unnecessary.
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#586 - 2013-01-18 11:34:37 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Not all New Order mining alts have declarations in their biographies, because then people would give us a dose of our own medicine, and we can't handle that.


FTFY
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#587 - 2013-01-18 11:37:36 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Not all New Order mining alts have declarations in their biographies, because then people would give us a dose of our own medicine, and we can't handle that.


FTFY

Yeah you fixed that good.
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#588 - 2013-01-18 11:49:33 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:


FTFY


Is your name a serious name or a joke name? I can't tell.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#589 - 2013-01-18 13:20:39 UTC
Danks wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:


FTFY


Is your name a serious name or a joke name? I can't tell.

No more then yours is I imagine.
Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#590 - 2013-01-18 15:42:45 UTC
Anyone believing in this code or 'complying' with this code break rule three of eve and deserve what you get.

James 315 was/is GOONFLEET


  1. Never risk what you cant afford to lose.
  2. Always watch local.
  3. Never trust a goon.


So. Yeah keep trying guys when you turn your 'code' into 'order 66' Everyone will see the truth.

Do your homework. It would take very little for the above anology to be true.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#591 - 2013-01-18 15:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Anyone believing in this code or 'complying' with this code break rule three of eve and deserve what you get.

James 315 was/is GOONFLEET


  1. Never risk what you cant afford to lose.
  2. Always watch local.
  3. Never trust a goon.


So. Yeah keep trying guys when you turn your 'code' into 'order 66' Everyone will see the truth.

Do your homework. It would take very little for the above anology to be true.
I'm interested to hear more about your three rules of EVE, although perhaps they should be better named the 'Three Rules of Kuseka Adama', because I'm pretty sure that CCP never told me not to trust Goons.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#592 - 2013-01-18 16:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
You can trust a Goon, just never give them anything.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#593 - 2013-01-18 17:20:09 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
ah the code again well until this code is recognized by all the Empire's as legitimate by that i mean enforced by them, and CCP your code is null and void.


You need to brush up on your Eve lore. Also, null doesn't do enough DPS for the holy work of ganking; void FTW.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Vaeliel
Slander Acquisitions
#594 - 2013-01-18 17:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaeliel
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Lin Suizei wrote:
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Because of my ego, I prefer to place my mining efficiency at risk, when I could mine peacefully by paying 10M ISK and following some simple rules.
i'm butthurt


I am laugh hard.

In other related news:

The CODE. alliance has exactly one active war as of last night, by a one-man corp called Lethal Killers or something ridiculously stupid. This person has scored exactly no kills.

They do, however have a 1bil bounty. Not that this matters because the payout on a catalyst, if you manage to lock it and asplode it before Concord does, would be like 200k.
Silus Morde
#595 - 2013-01-18 18:28:29 UTC
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Anyone believing in this code or 'complying' with this code break rule three of eve and deserve what you get.

James 315 was/is GOONFLEET


  1. Never risk what you cant afford to lose.
  2. Always watch local.
  3. Never trust a goon.


So. Yeah keep trying guys when you turn your 'code' into 'order 66' Everyone will see the truth.

Do your homework. It would take very little for the above anology to be true.

oh, always thought rule 3 was: Trust no one.

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#596 - 2013-01-18 19:08:51 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
If you want to resist just get your butts into a tanked Skiff, sorted, done, finished...

Forget that. Phffft. There are two better methods that have been working better. And as I fly around these NO systems I see it actually happening. 1. Get your single minner butts into a player corp and when you mine join a group with protection. I have seen more and more of this plus I've been accused of being an gankster cause I flew into an Ice field flying the same type of ship NO has been using to enforce this pathetic code. You know how hard it is to convince a Dom and 3 cruisers that you aren't an agent or knight of the order. Anyway 2. Stop mining for just a little while get your corp m8 's together and go hunting in the areas you know they will show up in. Like earier this morning technically eve time we were chaseing NO players in Tolle and the adjacent systems trying give justice to those they killed unjustly didn't catch any cause they were more interested in hiding a station. Lol all 4 of them heck even insulting and mocking there code wasn't enough to bring them out of there holes. And while in Jas we found out a very interesting fact one of the NO alt doesn't follow there own code nothing on her bio say that she bought a permit to mine as is requaired by the code. So if the code makers own word don't follow there own rules then why should the rest of us.



You sir, are absolutely right. Why should you indeed!

But you still risk bump or gank.

The simple fact of you interacting in the game because of NO is in itself a win. Thank you for proving yourself to be an Eve player.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.

Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#597 - 2013-01-18 19:34:56 UTC
Silus Morde wrote:
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Anyone believing in this code or 'complying' with this code break rule three of eve and deserve what you get.

James 315 was/is GOONFLEET


  1. Never risk what you cant afford to lose.
  2. Always watch local.
  3. Never trust a goon.


So. Yeah keep trying guys when you turn your 'code' into 'order 66' Everyone will see the truth.

Do your homework. It would take very little for the above anology to be true.

oh, always thought rule 3 was: Trust no one.


If you trust no one you end up alone in a corner. Though for some people that is 3. For me rule 4 is be responsible in your trust. Speaking as someone who in the past basically ran recruitment for more than one null sec organization i can honestly say that's a better rule to live by than trust no one.
Vaeliel
Slander Acquisitions
#598 - 2013-01-18 19:51:14 UTC
Kuseka Adama wrote:
If you trust no one you end up alone in a corner. Though for some people that is 3. For me rule 4 is be responsible in your trust. Speaking as someone who in the past basically ran recruitment for more than one null sec organization i can honestly say that's a better rule to live by than trust no one.



I don't understand how that reinforces your point.
Silus Morde
#599 - 2013-01-18 19:55:39 UTC
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Silus Morde wrote:
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Anyone believing in this code or 'complying' with this code break rule three of eve and deserve what you get.

James 315 was/is GOONFLEET


  1. Never risk what you cant afford to lose.
  2. Always watch local.
  3. Never trust a goon.


So. Yeah keep trying guys when you turn your 'code' into 'order 66' Everyone will see the truth.

Do your homework. It would take very little for the above anology to be true.

oh, always thought rule 3 was: Trust no one.


If you trust no one you end up alone in a corner. Though for some people that is 3. For me rule 4 is be responsible in your trust. Speaking as someone who in the past basically ran recruitment for more than one null sec organization i can honestly say that's a better rule to live by than trust no one.

I disagree, you can always do businees in EVE without trusting someone, I have seen too many people get trusted and then steal the corp blind. Kind of goes with only fly what you ucan afford to lose. Only give someone the trust that will not bite you hard if it is misplaced.
Fly safe.

Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#600 - 2013-01-18 20:08:27 UTC
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Silus Morde wrote:
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Anyone believing in this code or 'complying' with this code break rule three of eve and deserve what you get.

James 315 was/is GOONFLEET


  1. Never risk what you cant afford to lose.
  2. Always watch local.
  3. Never trust a goon.


So. Yeah keep trying guys when you turn your 'code' into 'order 66' Everyone will see the truth.

Do your homework. It would take very little for the above anology to be true.

oh, always thought rule 3 was: Trust no one.


If you trust no one you end up alone in a corner. Though for some people that is 3. For me rule 4 is be responsible in your trust. Speaking as someone who in the past basically ran recruitment for more than one null sec organization i can honestly say that's a better rule to live by than trust no one.

How can I believe in your rules when you keep changing them?

First you wrote that there were three rules.

Now, when questions about your rules, you create a fourth rule. Since you don't even respect your own rules how can anyone else? How many other hidden rules do you have?

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