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Why are there no Sansha gate camps on high-sec incursions?
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ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#21 - 2012-12-26 06:58:22 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
ihcn wrote:

eve has been advertised as an always-on pbp game for years

if you want a single player game, why not go play X3 or something and leave eve to those of us who don't want to make it into something it's not?




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Players of Eve Online can participate in a number of in-game professions and activities, including mining, piracy, manufacturing, trading, exploration, and combat (both player versus environment and player versus player).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online

lol, you got a lot of nerve, especially since your character isn't as old as mine.

Anyway, I don't see where it says Eve Online is strictly PvP. If you want strictly PvP spaceship mmo's, you should check out other games like Allegiance or DarkSpace, etc and leave Eve to those of us who don't want to make it into something it's not?


DMC

until you vocal minorities had your way, even the "pve" content in eve online was riddled with pvp opportunities. miners could be canflipped, missioners could be ninja salvaged, hisec traders could be suicide ganked.

So yeah it's still a strictly pvp game. Or was before people like you ****** it up because your virtually risk-free and effortless isk wasn't risk-free and effortless enough.
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2012-12-26 07:12:07 UTC
Still is. Man up and make it PvP. Owait...
TharOkha
0asis Group
#23 - 2012-12-26 07:15:20 UTC
I dont see a point in this thread. I smell lock in the air. All this ranting "hisec vs nullsec" are already disscussed across many threads. We dont need another one.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#24 - 2012-12-26 08:29:53 UTC
This would be cool. Want. Smile
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#25 - 2012-12-26 09:39:01 UTC
I am sure GMs would love that

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-26 10:06:59 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Honestly, it's kind of silly to have them everywhere else but high-sec.


What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence.

Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea.


Incursions ARE pve
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-12-26 10:13:15 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
lol, just exactly what makes you think this is strictly a PvP game?
The fact that everything in it is PvP.

Tarvos Telesto wrote:
What the point of this idea, only to make people rage
To make incursions actually disruptive and give people slightly more of a reason to keep their eyes open — either to avoid the systems or to go there and clear them out ASAP.

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Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base
No, they really aren't.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#28 - 2012-12-26 11:24:54 UTC
Possibly the High Sec EMPIRES are strong enough in those systems to keep the Sansha off the gates....
I mean, it's just a random thought that an EMPIRE in their SECURE space 'might' be able to at least keep the highway clear, even if the Sansha can hide in the deeper parts of a system in high sec......
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#29 - 2012-12-26 11:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
ihcn wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Honestly, it's kind of silly to have them everywhere else but high-sec.


What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence.

Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea.

You and people like you are a cancer on this game.



Op just want to make carebears slaves of game mechanic, and wach instand alpha destroyes freighters and industral after jump in to incrusion zone, your opinion show how blind you are, peronaly im not agains pvp in game.

Looks like pvp fanatics are mad because they cant find own place in this game, so they focusing on people who pve.

CCP decide about this long time ago, believe me or not they plan incrusion mechanic before relase and they realise idea like this is horrible that why no incrusion spawn near hi sec gates.

Adapt...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#30 - 2012-12-26 11:49:42 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Possibly the High Sec EMPIRES are strong enough in those systems to keep the Sansha off the gates....
I mean, it's just a random thought that an EMPIRE in their SECURE space 'might' be able to at least keep the highway clear, even if the Sansha can hide in the deeper parts of a system in high sec......


I agree with this guy. Why would Sansha actually be able to gatecamp, when the combined power of COMCORD, and the X-Navy patrolling the highsec regions...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-12-26 11:54:21 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
CCP decide about this long time ago, believe me or not they plan incrusion mechanic before relase and they realise idea like this is horrible that why no incrusion spawn near hi sec gates.
Actually, no. They never did provide a good answer (or indeed any answer) to why there should be no gate rats in highsec.

Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
I agree with this guy. Why would Sansha actually be able to gatecamp, when the combined power of COMCORD, and the X-Navy patrolling the highsec regions...
For the same reason they can take over the rest of the system. Why should the combined power of CONCORD (who aren't a factor) and the navy be enough to clear the gates when they can't even do that when there's not an incursion going on and when all the pirates bring is a frigate?
Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-12-26 11:54:34 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Honestly, it's kind of silly to have them everywhere else but high-sec.


What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence.

Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea.


Incursions ARE pve


Not strictly. PvE in EvE you choose to go to when you're ready. Much like PvP happens in lo and null and you start in hisec, you don't PvP unless you go to a site, belt or do a mission. Stick them everywhere and give them guns that require a 10 man squad with logi and DPS and you'll soon see all your own ships n stuff leap up in price, then you'll see everyone crying.

Remember, there a quite a few parts of EvE where avoiding a single system means 5-10 additional jumps. Some times a hell of a lot more.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2012-12-26 12:00:30 UTC
Gen Fesslenski wrote:
Not strictly. PvE in EvE you choose to go to when you're ready. Much like PvP happens in lo and null and you start in hisec, you don't PvP PvE unless you go to a site, belt or do a mission.
Ugh. That's a pretty bad comparison since PvP happens everywhere and you start in the middle of it.

Also, incrusions are PvP — you may not shoot the other players, but you are competing with them over who can shoot the most red crosses. If you don't beat the other players, you don't get any rewards.
Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#34 - 2012-12-26 12:13:20 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
let them play like thy want

no.


go! take that candy!
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-26 12:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
ihcn wrote:
until you vocal minorities had your way, even the "pve" content in eve online was riddled with pvp opportunities. miners could be canflipped,


Can still be done easily.

ihcn wrote:
missioners could be ninja salvaged,


Can still be done easily.

ihcn wrote:
hisec traders could be suicide ganked.


Can still be done easily.

Stop whining and start using :effort:.
Jungleland Roy
#36 - 2012-12-26 15:57:48 UTC
When the Sansha incursions were announced by CCP they also stated that Sansha would camp the lo-sec gates. They said (cant remember who actually said it - but it was a CCP person) they would do this to stop players camping the incursion systems. Otherwise evil minded players (of which there are some in this game - shock horror!!) could camp the incursion systems for easy high value kills or just general disrupting of incursion fleets.

As to whether Sansha should camp the high sec gates as well? Yes it would be a pain for the high-seccers but I think there is an argument to do it. After all Sansha have invaded - and are disrupting the local space area. t would cause rage and tears but not a game breaking amount imo and certainly would make the behaviour consistent. Want to get rid of the incursion effects (ie gatecamps)? then go join the fleets killing them.

Roy




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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-12-26 16:07:53 UTC
ihcn wrote:

eve has been advertised as an always-on pvp game for years

you really believe to advertisements? how old are you? 6 or less?Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#38 - 2012-12-26 17:13:46 UTC
Damn those griefing NPCs...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-12-26 17:25:34 UTC
I'm allright with sansha gatecamp in high sec as long as there is something at the gate so people who are not on auto pilot can see without cruising through menus if they are heading into trouble. Bigger militia presence would do and be fitting as they would be seen as preventive defensive force on the limit of the current battlefield.

Could the Sansha be made to invade more system if not stopped fast enough? Like a spreading invasion depending on the amount of damage players did in the past X hours instead of a fixed amount of system being invaded?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#40 - 2012-12-26 18:06:23 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:

What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence.

What is the point of having them on Low and Null Sec Gates then?

Simple, the idea is to make the Sansha out to be an occupying power, a force to be reckoned. I think Gates should display the Sec Status and Incursions on the overview, the AP should be settable to avoid Incursions by default and yes those gates should be blockaded by Sansha Ships. Also they should also give standard loot and salvage for an NPC of that size on gates and in belts.

Tarvos Telesto wrote:

Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea.

Because they are all so pathetic to walk in blind to Incursions systems again and again and rage quit at the first sign of challenge. Incursions are supposed to be disruptive aggressive PvE, your telling me Hi-Sec players can not handle aggressive PvE...

I'm an optimist. I don't think they are temperamental dimwits, in fact I think that if an important route is camped they will have escorts punch through and clear it like people with balls (/ lady balls) and pride would. I have never met anyone in this game outside the forums that is so weak as to not rise to a good challenge.

Hi Sec could use more environmental challenge to rise too and over come.

This!

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