Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sandbox means you can play exactly how you want. But it also mean everyone else can do the same. If this interferes with your play, then that's a part of the same sandbox.
This means Eve gives you the opportunity to succeed in whatever you want within it's rules, but it also gives everyone else the opportunity to try and stop you.

Also, PvP isn't a synonym for combat. Therefore carebears, miners and industrialists, are all already involved in PvP.

Oh I agree people shouldn't try to dictate how you play. But as you and I know, that's a far cry from being able to do things to others in game within it's rules. Some have a hard time seeing the difference.

Indeed. CCP even turned ship spinning, into PvP.

Mags...

And highsecurity is called just that for a reason, also a fact is that the starter/npc corps is actuall corps belogning to empires, states and federations, so with this said if you get your way, and concord looks the other way, should you get a faction loss, would Gallante armed forces hunt down or outright declare war on you and your corp since you and your friends decide to destroy valuable assets of their "country"... i know, its a game, so we shouldent point to realism, its about fun, but i think ccp already given you tools within the game to do what you want and when you want it, but with the consequenses of the security level your in...

but lets reason further...

lets say we can wardec start corps, and i were a really old Gallante player, with buckets of isks, one day i decide that, those damn Amarr people, i done want them to get any new players, so, i make a alt, bring a few friends, transfer assets, and now the "fun" comenses as i wardec every new pilot that leaves the start place... is it absurd ?, with the resources some people have in this game, they could set entire high sec a flame, and im not sure it ewen make a dent in their wealth... is this a high security system for you ?

You are mistaken, if you think I would advocate the wardecing of starter NPC corps. They are and always have been, a needed yet problematic mechanic in Eve.

To be quite honest, they bother me not. Mainly because CCP give me more than one way to skin a cat, so to speak.

PvP isn't a synonym for combat. This is why mining, trading, industry etc etc, is PvP.

No worries, it happens.
Fly safe.

Changing noob corps and/or adding more tax to them will mostly hit newbies and casuals. Most hardcore players only have alts there just for social purposes.

Dolorous Tremmens

first off... aparantly, you cant go back to a start corps once you leave, when you quit a player corp you end up in one of three holding corps, depending on your line... and those are dead... So as i mentioned earlier alot of people be alot more willing to try corps if they knew they could go back to something they now work... like CAS

Secondly, like been mentioned in other threads, mostly when it regards highsec, its not carebears like me thats the problem, the problem is PVPers that use starts corps to fuel their pvp efforts... so if you want to go after the root of the problem, dont change things that work for me, as a carebear...

So how can we fix that, one way would be to change how Wardecks works... When a wardeck happens, corps involved gets frozen out, untill the war has been settled... i also think that tax could be risen for NPC corps maybe 15-20% and also alow all corps be ableto bribe Concord with a added tax also, thats optional

No new members can be recruited
No members can leave
No creation of contracts, except within corp
No ability to buy contracts, except within corp
No ability to use market in station, except the four realms trade hubs, Jita, Dodixee Amarr etc
No ability to give or sell items outside of your corp (except at trade hubs)
No ability to give or recive ISKs outside of your corp

Set up those rules, and let corp wars be fought out as they were intended, then PVPers that hide in start corps, suddenly are cut off from their industry in times of war...

I find there is a frequent loss in translation when discussing things with you. PVPers that wardec do not hide in start or NPC corps. they are a player corp that declares war on other player corps. Griefers use players from NPC's to prey upon, by ganking as well as alts in those NPC corps because they get erased and the alt re started when the security has taken too much of a hit.

Having to counter bribe concord to end a war would be a bad precedent, letting the rich just buy their way out of wars.
Not allowing members to leave locks all players into that corp for the duration of war, and wars can be exended. The highsec playerbase would start to lose subscriptions.
In fact most of the ideas you have listed end up giving the griefing corp more power, because the griefers have stocks in their favorite griefing locations, and their prey is for the most part industrialists.

You have hit close to some ideas i have had in the past. Standings loss and loss of docking rights for certain stations with a standings bias in favor of the defending corp. Corp A wardecs Corp B. Corp A is no longer able to dock at factions that corp B has high(er) standings in by certain margins. Corp A loses standings with those groups every day they pursue the Wardec, right from the 24hr warning that occurs to the final 24hr cooldown warning. This includes the empire they are declaring war in. I add this because if you have low enough standsings in one of the highsec empires, you are pursued by concord untill you are out of their empire. it does not really stop anyone from traveling, but it is enough of a hindrance that it might give pause to the casual griefing that wardecs are.

Majority of players being in high sec is it safe to say those "non-players" as some like to call them, are actually players?

You have "explained better" or a least made attempts at it many times. RIGHT NOW, every corp does have to fight it out on its own. They can request allies, but that only bring in more targets for griefers, so the corps disband, that is, they shut down and everyone rejoins NPC corps. What you suggested only punished the corporation that has been decced. The ones that declared war will have been set up from the start, ready for all of your ideas.

Am I going slow enough?

Having a tax that is just a counter bribe is simply paying to not be involved in a sandbox game that is about risk and reward. War deccers want to fight, they pay money to concord. You dont want to fight, you pay money to concord. Both sides lose, but one side loses more: the wardeccers. They may just wardec the same group again, and again to try to bankrupt them.

Or you may be talking about protection money, so that concord comes and helps you faster when you are being ganked. Risk and reward. What you would be doing is paying to not really play the game everyone else has to. You have shown that you do not understand the game, and are unwilling to read or search for BASIC game mechanics. There are alot of resources that explain this in many languages.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=195938&find=unread

The thread I linked, and will link again, changes NOTHING for npc corps apart from taking the higher end research and manufacturing to different stations. You are still safe in your cushioned playpen. As safe as anyone in eve CAN be. You can't be wardecced which takes away your risk, but you are rewarded as much as any other highsec player owned corp member with equivalent taxes. no corp hangar or pos? Trivial.

Alot of PVPers and Null sec residents have alts in NPC corps because;

Those alts do almost nothing compared to the mains, they may just be there for scouting and price checks

They do not want what they are doing tracked by other groups, including the side they are on

The ability to not be wardecced provides a shelter to do things like logistical movements of supplies

Nullsec corps need a certain PVPers:Industry ratio or are seen as nullbears. that does not sit well with neighbors

Ganking. enough said.

Highsec mining. no one will admit it, but ice and the basic minerals are easier to get in empire.

Highsec Production. Why waste money and fuel in null when theres all these station in highsec things can be done at?
I can keep going on, and on. If you're going to abuse NPC corp benefits, why shouldn't others that play and know the game better.

After having to deal with you in so many posts I'm starting to understand why some want the school systems to kick players out into holding corps after the trial period ends. It might make you wake up and learn things, since people in those Corps will know eve alot better, and can give better advice.

The tiny nudge might be a good hint that this is not hello kitty online, and you're expected to grow up and join the rest of eve sometime.