Crime & Punishment

And I never said everybody wardeccing everybody else was even GOOD at doing research, or PVPing. RFF is worthless to war dec, and responsible pvpers know that. There are a lot of noob pvpers, just like there's a lot of noob industrialists.

You keep bringing it back to personal experience, and yes, in your particular case I can see why you'd be annoyed at people war deccing your corp for nothing.

This is simply a matter of how different people view the game in a fundamentally different way, and as much as we might write back and forth about it, neither of us are going to see the others' viewpoint. However, at least I'm trying to keep it objective.

My points are as follows:

1. Nobody should be perfectly safe. Docked up or not, there are aspects of the game which you are exposed to that have been modified in some way by other people. (In space you can lose your ship. In station you can be scammed or be a victim of market manipulation)
2. If someone has the willpower, knowledge, and resources, he should be able to affect other people within the game, whether negatively or positively, directly or indirectly.
3. Nobody playing this game is "not affecting anybody else". Every action you do has a direct or indirect impact on other players.
4. If someone is affecting my game, I should be able to affect their game, as per #2 (either directly or indirectly) in a way that is proportional to the amount of effort I put into doing such.
5. The individual on the receiving end of such effort should be able to respond, and if they want to avoid it, it should require effort comparable to the effort the first person put into it in the first place.

Fair, but in my eyes it seems that the industrialists are the aggressors for not being more careful who they sell to.

So, you're trying to say that because someone is the aggressor they have an innate advantage over the defenders? I can certainly understand that, especially if the defenders had no idea it was coming. They do get 24 hours notice, in high sec, and they also get the opportunity to enlist allies against the aggressors but... I take it that isn't enough.

Is there anything else that can even the odds a bit more?

That's how I read it.

Anyone who will drop a corp for a wardec is probably a CEO of a small corporation who just wants to be left alone. They probably don't have the manpower or the resources to handle such a threat in any other way.

If you want to pick a fight, why not pick a fight against someone who might be able to mount an actual defense.

Or are we seriously talking about big corporations disbanding because an equally sized or smaller corp has wardecced them?

What about in lowsec? With some research and watching it's fairly easy to determine what corps are sending viators and the odd jump freighter into my enemy's station, and via contracts you can trace it back to the supplying corp fairly easy. Lowsec doesn't have a huge thriving economy so it's far easier to pick out the suppliers. And yeah, they personally don't have the ability to fight back. But isn't that what getting allies are for?

There are many industrial corps that are directly supplying my enemies and my allies as well. Thomas is saying that because they cannot fight back (because they CHOSE to create industrial characters), and that even though they are affecting my game, I should not have the ability fight them?

Yeah, maybe they can't fight back. But they chose to be "helpless" when they spent their time being industrial characters. There's whole new mechanics in place to help out with that now. Running is only an option for those morons and slackers that don't want to put any effort into their own defense.

You're not following my post.

The haulers go to lowsec, where they seed the market. They pick up the items from an additional corporation that is producing it all in high sec, via contract.

So, Eve shouldn't be fair to all parties? Is there a particular reason why people who put in equal amounts of effort shouldn't have commensurate results?

And about the haulers, if they use cloaky transports or jump freighters they are nearly impossible to catch unless on the undock. And then if they are war decced (because they start their journey in high sec) they jump corp.

Additionally, Eve is a thinking game, where the outcome depends on calculated decisions. What kind of thinking or calculated decision is "Ill jus leve corp lul"?

Being a CEO of a small corporation does not make them "helpless highsec noobs." Sometimes these are alt corps for someone we might be warring. And then sometimes these are 4 year old characters who just want to "mission and mine in peace" but apparently we're not allowed to go after them because they don't want it.



True, though some of these counter arguments are ridiculous.

This thread is officially going places, someone quoted Sun Tzu... because that is not only edgy and cool, it simply illustrates you as seething with relevance and game knowledge.





That was sarcasm.

Tell me all about how that made you feel, did you practice that post in the mirror before you made it?

I think i am entitled to a giant BLT