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Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#81 - 2012-12-26 17:45:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What skills, what fit, what boosts.

I know I can fill a retriever in 20mins, clearly you are failing at EVE. Don't worry, we all do...

Filled top slots with strip miners.
Put some mining upgrades (don't remember how many), my mining skills are pretty high tho not maxed.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#82 - 2012-12-26 17:50:04 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What skills, what fit, what boosts.

I know I can fill a retriever in 20mins, clearly you are failing at EVE. Don't worry, we all do...

Filled top slots with strip miners.
Put some mining upgrades (don't remember how many), my mining skills are pretty high tho not maxed.

Nice and vague. Made sure to spend time with your miners off because asteroids popped and the like? And boostless, of course, that definitely helps improve your time, and reduce your isk per hour.

You don't seem to be mining like a miner, rather like a forum troll trying to mess with numbers.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-12-26 17:50:10 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What skills, what fit, what boosts.

I know I can fill a retriever in 20mins, clearly you are failing at EVE. Don't worry, we all do...

Filled top slots with strip miners.
Put some mining upgrades (don't remember how many), my mining skills are pretty high tho not maxed.


Thanks for all the precise info. Now we only need to know how much your retriever can hold, what MLU you were using, if you have any implants and the exact level of each mining related skill to be sure you didn`t mess something up.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-12-26 17:51:18 UTC
This thread must be nerf.

Nao !

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#85 - 2012-12-26 17:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What skills, what fit, what boosts.

I know I can fill a retriever in 20mins, clearly you are failing at EVE. Don't worry, we all do...

Filled top slots with strip miners.
Put some mining upgrades (don't remember how many), my mining skills are pretty high tho not maxed.


Thanks for all the precise info. Now we only need to know how much your retriever can hold, what MLU you were using, if you have any implants and the exact level of each mining related skill to be sure you didn`t mess something up.

Around 23-24k, I really don't remember I didn't mine in a long time.
I just buy minerals nowdays.
I had combat implants for missions.
And again, it was a long time ago so I don't remember each and every skill, but most mining skills were at either Level V or IV.

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Nice and vague. Made sure to spend time with your miners off because asteroids popped and the like? And boostless, of course, that definitely helps improve your time, and reduce your isk per hour.

You don't seem to be mining like a miner, rather like a forum troll trying to mess with numbers.


Or someone who honestly doesn't remember his exact skills at the time?
I was trying to be the most efficient I can.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-12-26 17:55:19 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

What skills, what fit, what boosts.

I know I can fill a retriever in 20mins, clearly you are failing at EVE. Don't worry, we all do...

Filled top slots with strip miners.
Put some mining upgrades (don't remember how many), my mining skills are pretty high tho not maxed.


Thanks for all the precise info. Now we only need to know how much your retriever can hold, what MLU you were using, if you have any implants and the exact level of each mining related skill to be sure you didn`t mess something up.

Around 23-24k, I really don't remember I didn't mine in a long time.
I just buy minerals nowdays.
I had combat implants for missions.
And again, it was a long time ago so I don't remember each and every skill, but most mining skills were at either Level V or IV.

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Nice and vague. Made sure to spend time with your miners off because asteroids popped and the like? And boostless, of course, that definitely helps improve your time, and reduce your isk per hour.

You don't seem to be mining like a miner, rather like a forum troll trying to mess with numbers.


Or someone who honestly doesn't remember his exact skills at the time?
I was trying to be the most efficient I can.


It all adds up to a nice difference. Thats why actual miner do train them. You can't put numbers on how much a miner can gain without specific precise info without your statement being correctly labeled as worthless.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2012-12-26 17:56:15 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
It all adds up to a nice difference. Thats why actual miner do train them. You can't put numbers on how much a miner can gain without specific precise info without your statement being correctly labeled as worthless.

It's a troll, isn't it?

It's a troll.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#88 - 2012-12-26 17:58:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
It all adds up to a nice difference. Thats why actual miner do train them. You can't put numbers on how much a miner can gain without specific precise info without your statement being correctly labeled as worthless.

It's a troll, isn't it?

It's a troll.

Sure.
Call troll.
In the end how long it takes to fill a retriever doesn't actually change anything about the thread.
Just some pointless argument.

P.S

Isn't troll a word that's being used a bit too loosely lately?
Even if I was trolling, this would be the worst trolling I have ever done.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#89 - 2012-12-26 17:58:32 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
You are welcome to figure out who my alt is.

P.S

You will never find him because this is my only character.

High sec industry will exist, but it will be more limited.
You may set up a PoS (CCP said something about personal PoS's), but it won't be as efficient.

That's bass ackwards to your stated goal, but if it makes you happy...

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-12-26 17:59:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
It all adds up to a nice difference. Thats why actual miner do train them. You can't put numbers on how much a miner can gain without specific precise info without your statement being correctly labeled as worthless.

It's a troll, isn't it?

It's a troll.


It depends. If he is willingly speading lies, then it's a troll. If he just don't know ebtter, then I think it's just bad paosting.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#91 - 2012-12-26 18:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:
You are welcome to figure out who my alt is.

P.S

You will never find him because this is my only character.

High sec industry will exist, but it will be more limited.
You may set up a PoS (CCP said something about personal PoS's), but it won't be as efficient.

That's bass ackwards to your stated goal, but if it makes you happy...

What?

Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
It all adds up to a nice difference. Thats why actual miner do train them. You can't put numbers on how much a miner can gain without specific precise info without your statement being correctly labeled as worthless.

It's a troll, isn't it?

It's a troll.


It depends. If he is willingly speading lies, then it's a troll. If he just don't know ebtter, then I think it's just bad paosting.

I timed how long it took me.
I may have made mistakes, maybe I wasn't as efficient as possible (which may be true because I knew less about mining than I do now), but it doesn't actually change anything.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#92 - 2012-12-26 18:17:51 UTC
Good read.

The Tears Must Flow
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-12-26 18:23:04 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:


I timed how long it took me. I may have made mistakes, maybe I wasn't as efficient as possible (which may be true because I knew less about mining than I do now), but it doesn't actually change anything.


Every different skill level, module used and the size of asteroid have an impact on the math which cahnge the results which make the statement worthless unless we also have the details to compare with. Thats why it's either a troll (if you willingfully make misstakes like that) or a bad poast (If you don't know better and post use
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2012-12-26 18:24:16 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:


I timed how long it took me. I may have made mistakes, maybe I wasn't as efficient as possible (which may be true because I knew less about mining than I do now), but it doesn't actually change anything.


Every different skill level, module used and the size of asteroid have an impact on the math which cahnge the results which make the statement worthless unless we also have the details to compare with. Thats why it's either a troll (if you willingfully make misstakes like that) or a bad poast (If you don't know better and post use

It's a troll, he managed to make it take three times as long. It's definitely a troll.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#95 - 2012-12-26 18:32:44 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:


I timed how long it took me. I may have made mistakes, maybe I wasn't as efficient as possible (which may be true because I knew less about mining than I do now), but it doesn't actually change anything.


Every different skill level, module used and the size of asteroid have an impact on the math which cahnge the results which make the statement worthless unless we also have the details to compare with. Thats why it's either a troll (if you willingfully make misstakes like that) or a bad poast (If you don't know better and post use

It's a troll, he managed to make it take three times as long. It's definitely a troll.

No, I'm not.
What I can tell you is that weather I'm right or you're right about the retirever DOESN'T MATTER, it has nothing to do with the post.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-12-26 18:45:47 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
celebro wrote:
No, there needs to be trade between high and null sec.

It already exists.
High just won't be as lucrative.



What you don't get is that a vast majority of items produced in High-sec go right back to null.
basically you are trying to force Null-sec to become industrial.

What is funny is that back when 20,000 players was peak nobody cared about high-sec being a industrial base.
But now when High-sec industry is needed just to keep things going people want to nerf it.

IF you want to nerf high-sec.
Stop selling minerals , moon-goo to high-sec.
THere is nothing stopping null from setting up a Null-sec Jita.
One of the NPC null locations would work just fine.

THe reality is it won't ever happen because Null doesn't want it to happen.
WIth all the NAP's going on right now it might work.
WHo was that alliance who had nuetral stations spread around null ?


EVERYBODY KNOWS
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2012-12-26 18:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Simetraz wrote:
THe reality is it won't ever happen because Null doesn't want it to happen.
WIth all the NAP's going on right now it might work.
WHo was that alliance who had nuetral stations spread around null ?

Not us, and we can't dock there.

Try npc null stations, when not bubbled and camped...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-12-26 18:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
THe reality is it won't ever happen because Null doesn't want it to happen.
WIth all the NAP's going on right now it might work.
WHo was that alliance who had nuetral stations spread around null ?

Not us, and we can't dock there.

Try npc null stations, when not bubbled and camped...


LOL, they where around before Goonies even existed or at least before they left high-sec.
They had several stations in your section of space and some down south as well.

And yup it would take someone to enforce nuatrality in NPC Null.
Doesn't work to well.
Most players hate NRDS.

Let alone if CCP wanted to really push industry to null they wouldn't have gimped all the stations.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-12-26 18:53:43 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:
celebro wrote:
No, there needs to be trade between high and null sec.

It already exists.
High just won't be as lucrative.



What you don't get is that a vast majority of items produced in High-sec go right back to null.
basically you are trying to force Null-sec to become industrial.

What is funny is that back when 20,000 players was peak nobody cared about high-sec being a industrial base.
But now when High-sec industry is needed just to keep things going people want to nerf it.

IF you want to nerf high-sec.
Stop selling minerals , moon-goo to high-sec.
THere is nothing stopping null from setting up a Null-sec Jita.
One of the NPC null locations would work just fine.

THe reality is it won't ever happen because Null doesn't want it to happen.
WIth all the NAP's going on right now it might work.
WHo was that alliance who had nuetral stations spread around null ?




While you can prevent yourself and maybe a few more people from seling to empire market, how do you prevent the rest from doing it as the price rise because demand is not met? You would face the exact same problem miner would if they tried to make the minerals price go up, Someone else will sell instead of you and he will get ISKs while you don't. You can't blockade empire out. You can't stop the movement of assets. The economy will keep flowing as long as someone sets his price low enough. Hulkageddon dind't stop miners despite the trillions in damage done. You can't stop that kind of force unless you have dev power to change the rules.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#100 - 2012-12-26 18:54:32 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
THe reality is it won't ever happen because Null doesn't want it to happen.
WIth all the NAP's going on right now it might work.
WHo was that alliance who had nuetral stations spread around null ?

Not us, and we can't dock there.

Try npc null stations, when not bubbled and camped...


LOL, they where around before Goonies even existed or at least before they left high-sec.
They had several stations in your section of space and some down south as well.

And yup it would take someone to enforce nuatrality in NPC Null.
Doesn't work to well.
Most players hate NRDS.

CVA lets neutrals dock if I recall. THey also go nuts setting people red.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?